Pop Quiz………

“I do believe in Unions and believe the free, honest labor Unions are our greatest guarantees of continuing prosperity and our strongest bulwark against social or economic totalitarianism.”

“High pay and good working conditions mean more buying power and more production. As buying power increases so do sales and profits. We pride ourselves on the level of American standard of living. We boast that the majority of Americans have decent homes, cars, radios, television sets and all the rest. This would hardly be possible if the great mass of workers wasn’t well — even highly — paid. ‘Excessive” labor cost is a handy excuse to cover up inept management’s inability to meet competition.”

 

One man made these two statements. Who said it?????????????????

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32 thoughts on “Pop Quiz………

  1. The obvious answer would be someone like Walter Ruther. Yet, the real answer is someone on the right. Further, it might be someone who came (shamefully) to the right from the left. Therefore I’m guessing Reagan.

  2. Reagan is a good guess Muddy. After all, he was once the President of the Screen Actor’s Union. But incorrect.

    The quotes were said by J. Paul Getty in a June 1958 article in true magazine. Mr. Getty was named the richest living American by Forbes in 1957. A book published in ’96 placed him as the 67th wealthiest American in history. He was a few hundred million behind Howard Hughes. I am not sure what his political affiliation was.

    1. LOLOLOL, Holy s##t Dottie. thanks for the link. I noticed a week ago that all Walmart videos had been taken off of youtube. Probably only a matter of time before this one is. If I may?
      A Union is not a business. Most common definition of business is “A business, also known as an enterprise or a firm, is an organization involved in the trade of goods, services, or both to consumers.Businesses are prevalent in capitalist economies, where most of them are privately owned and provide goods and services to customers for profit.”
      Key component here is profit. Unions and representatives do not profit from Union Dues. Sure bills are paid, and salaries are paid, but the rest of the money gets put into different accounts and even invested in low risk funds. These funds are used for such “evil” as disability.
      The second thing and what made me piss myself was when the girl was talking about union membership in the 60’s, compared to today. AS IF IT WAS A GOOD THING! Guess what else happened in the 60’s retard. One of the parents could stay home with their children. Families could afford vacation. And kids didn’t have to take out massive loans to go to college. LOLOLOL.
      Third, well what’s the point. I’m preaching to the choir here. But here’s an article you all will love. I know I did. LOLOL……… Fu##ing Target.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/30/costco-profits_n_3359033.html

  3. The entire pose of referring to the customers as guests is pretty bizarre in itself. I had read the huff post piece. They talk to their employees as if they were paranoid parents telling not so bright children not to get in a strangers car….y’all jes tell us if any of them creepy union folks come sneakin round…we know what to do with em!

      1. I’m not sure, but I think he was exercising his organ of irony….keep up the snark, big guy! Use it or lose it!

  4. Apparently UptheFlag dropped a bomb then fled the scene. But then, he lives in the anti-union South, the Old Confederacy where the word, ‘union’ is a hated word. I recall a VW worker in Tennessee who voted no on unionizing saying, “This is the South and don’t do union.” Duh! He and others must have a very absorptive propaganda brain. Duh!

  5. I guess I was wrong about M_R.

    Ya’ll good at offering criticism, but I see no solution presented of the decline of unionism from 30+% in the ’60s to the 7% day and heading lower….You’re in fantasy land if you think there is to be a union renewal ala 1930-1970. It’s over, done, finished, ended, caput!

    Here is an example. Take the Postal workers union….We are already being prepared for the end of U.S.Postal Service, aren’t we…..No Democrat will admit it today, but the Postal Service is gone after the 2016 election. So too is the Postal Union! Detroit shows that Public social workers union benefits contracts mean nothing…Bankruptcy wipes the slate clean! That way of worker protection is finished.

    1. “Ya’ll good at offering criticism, but I see no solution presented of the decline of unionism from 30+% in the ’60s to the 7% day and heading lower…”
      Repealing the “Taft-Hartley Act” would be a good start. This law from the 40’s is the very reason Target can publish these videos. By the way, The 7% figure they quoted in the video is not true. Unions are at 11.9% as of 2013.

      “You’re in fantasy land if you think there is to be a union renewal ala 1930-1970. It’s over, done, finished, ended, caput!”
      This attitude UTF is the reason I’m surprised that the AFL-CIO would want your help in organizing efforts.

    2. Regarding union participation in 2013: Public-sector workers had a union membership rate (35.3 percent and growing) more than five times higher than that of private-sector workers (6.7 percent and shrinking).

      Contracts negotiated by the postal unions rely on the earnings of future employees, some who hadn’t even been born yet.

      And do you suspect those contracts in Detroit might have been a little too generous? And wasn’t it those very same unions that worked so hard to elect the politicians who stole and/or mismanaged the pension funds?

      I still believe unions are needed , but the unions have to clean out the crooks. I voted for infrastructure maintenance, garbage pickup, summer youth recreation, etc. in Toledo, but we’re not getting that are we? Did you notice the latest raise the mayor gave out was the same union who hired buses to drive protesters to the City Building during the election? Maybe it was just a coincidence.

  6. “Yes!….M_R may know why it is necessary for unions to die.”
    Well, maybe you can tell me why it is necessary for Unions to die UTF?

  7. No offense, JOB, but I’m ROFL at your suggestion of repealing Taft-Hartley.
    If the last 65 years are any clue, it’s not going to happen. If LBJ and Carter
    wouldn’t do it, with overwhelming Congressional votes, overturning Taft-Hartley is a pipe dream….With the murders of JFK, RFK, MLK,JR, and the defeat of Humphrey in 1968, reform ended. Reform is now a “rear-guard”
    action; it is no longer in ascendancy. Look at what we got with Obama! We are less free today than we were in 2009. And, we have a drone-in-chief
    President with a weekly hit list. We just saw what happened to Sen. Fienstein when she spoke out against the NSA. And, she is, of course, a big supporter of the congressional-military-industrial complex. She is “the system”, and she can’t speak out!

    1. “No offense, JOB, but I’m ROFL at your suggestion of repealing Taft-Hartley. If the last 65 years are any clue, it’s not going to happen.”

      No offense taken. But I am having a hard time understanding your position due to the fact that you are not answering any questions. You only seem to be spewing rhetoric. Repealing Taft-Hartley may have you rolling on a floor laughing, but it’s a suggestion. An idea if you will, and I have more. The question I pose to you is do you have any ideas on how to reverse anti-union sentiment? Or are you willing to let unionization die completely? If you are willing to say goodbye to Unions, I must ask why? Surely you’re intelligent enough to see the complete downfall of the working class if this happens. Or does that not interest you?

  8. Your spin, M_R, is sick! Are you so imbued with Obama, Jarrett, and Michelle that you can’t see failure? He,they, have moved the country Right.
    Obama is known as the Deporter-in-Chief. He has deported more Hispanic immigrants in 5.5 years, than George W. Bush did in 8. The community organizer has ripped families apart. Why?

      1. You gotta be kidding, M_R….Why are you so foolishly defensive of Obama? In Forbes’ annual list of the top 50 leaders in the world, I believe Obama is not recognized…..

        You and I know why deportations have increased significantly under Obama. Do you still have some core beliefs or have you sacrificed them
        to the greater and honor of any Democratic president? The prize is more valuable than your liberal beliefs?

        Your flippant one or two word responses indicate that you have no
        contrary arguments to refute intellectually the point(s) I make….I tune in every morning to be intellectually challenged as of old, but nothing there…

        1. Perhaps, UtF, I am tired of political ‘gotchas’ and no longer find such stuff worthwhile. What difference does anything I if you say about national or international politics? We aren’t going to change anything. Right now my focus is on how I can help turn out the vote in November here in my county. That’s about it. If ‘they’ don’t show up at the polls, the ball game is over. There is one more item I’ll be working on- a petition initiative to adjust the voting times both for early voting as well as on Election Day. The petition needs 380,000 signatures. That will be quite the challenge.

          Ohio Voters Bill of Rights amendment writes into the Constitution minimum early, in-person voting hours — 12 hours during the weekend before Election during the weekend before Election Day and 10 hours each day during the preceding week — current identification standards, absentee ballot procedures and online voter registration.

  9. Now for JOB,s questions: My answers: No, Yes, and No.3 was answered above, 4 to ur statement, Yes, and 5 true……

    BTW, spiderman will not save the Postal Union…..Has everyone seen that new union ad?

  10. “. What difference does anything I if you say about national or international politics? We aren’t going to change anything.)

    There it is! Your often mentioned rejoinder to why become involved. This is the answer I knew you had in you, when I made the comment above, that JOB did not understand, when I said you knew why unionism is dead. And, to my remark, supporting your long running stand that there is nothing that can be done, you scoffed at me.

    Now, this question, If we both agree that “we aren’t going to change anything”, why am I active in getting young adults to join Young Democrats
    and you working petition ballots? At this stage of the game do we really need more challenges? When do we “put down the white man’s burden”
    my friend? When we don’t need oxygen any more? We will survive, but what of our children? grandchildren? Are they picking up our mantle? Do they care enough to do so?

    Therefore, let me ask this question. Why persist with this political type blog?
    Have you thought that its original premise has passed? Maybe something more intellectual than emotionalism of politics? Some other ideas: health
    care per se( not the politics of this or that bill), intellectualism, the humanities,
    the social sciences,
    a combination of the last two as they influence each other, future of society and work. No tolerance for bringing politics into any future discussions as supporting this or that law, or LIVs, or supporting or criticizing any politician,
    and the like…..Just an intellectual type of discussion about a non political topic….Maybe keep this site up, for as U say the topic only of politics and the main thrust is to just let this site die naturally.

    1. ““. What difference does anything I if you say about national or international politics? We aren’t going to change anything.)

      There it is! Your often mentioned rejoinder to why become involved. This is the answer I knew you had in you, when I made the comment above, that JOB did not understand, when I said you knew why unionism is dead.”

      I understood your comment UTF. I found it irrelevant and non productive as I find most of your comments. You’re like the Face Book of commenters. All cryptic with no real meaning. You never directly answered any questions, most likely because you have no productive answers. Which is fine, that’s your thing. Maybe you liken yourself to a Greek philosopher who makes a statement with veracity and hopes to encourage thought provoking dialogue? Maybe you pine yourself as someone who has been there and done that? Maybe you just won’t be happy until ALL working class is summoned to work for minimum wage?

      Whatever the answer is doesn’t matter, because your rhetoric is deserving of nothing more than a Mississippi Town Hall meeting. BTW- Did you read where Mississippi residents receive $3 in Federal assistance for every $1 they send to Washington? But you’re right, let’s hear more about how Unions are passe and dead. Do you have any ideas on how to turn the USPS around? Or is it just rhetorical questions on why should it die?

      BTW-“BTW, spiderman will not save the Postal Union…..Has everyone seen that new union ad?”
      That wasn’t a Union ad. The film was sponsored by the USPS. Perhaps you would have been more comfortable if the film was sponsored by Face Book?

  11. “Three bills that would restrict union organizing and protests and prevent local governments from adopting union-friendly regulations in Mississippi are now headed to the governor.

    A fourth bill, SB2689, to prohibit local governments from limiting background checks by employers, has already been signed by Gov. Phil Bryant.

    On Wednesday, the state Senate concurred with small changes made by the House in the three Senate bills, meaning they can now be sent to Bryant for his signature.

    Supporters said Mississippi needs new laws to preempt organized labor’s strong-armed tactics seen in other states that they say would hinder economic development. Opponents said Mississippi is one of the least unionized states and the laws are red herrings that are either already covered by federal law or would run afoul of it.

    “We lobbied against it and didn’t think it was necessary,” said Mississippi AFL-CIO President Robert Shaffer. “No one on the House side or the Senate side could give us an example why this was needed.”

    …from clarion-ledger…..this week….

    Your comment, JOB, is pitiful….Unionism is 0ver! This is happening across the country….just not MS. It’s the point that I made…You need to get ur facts straight…..

  12. I guess we may be at a stand still here UTF. You feel my comment is pitiful. because I fail to believe that Unionization is dead? That’s cool. I just hope you’ll forgive me for not basing my opinions on laws passed by that bastion of worker’s rights and sanctuary of wealth known as Mississippi. I will admit though I am a little taken aback. You seem willing to fight so many good fights, but with this one you are just willing to sit back? But hey, no worries. Unions deal with that attitude everyday, the sentiment is not new.

    http://www.mcall.com/news/local/eastpenn/mc-pratt-accused-of-ducking-unions-again-20140327,0,3055776.story

    http://teamster.org/news/2014/03/victory-pasco-county-fl-teamsters-local-79

    http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20130621/BLOGS04/130629971#

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/settlement-606488-drivers-teamsters.html

  13. JOB, don’t put that line of BS on me…It’s just not MS, if U look around. Every State from VA west to the CA border South of that line is anti-union, with maybe Colorado being the sole exception. North of that line add in
    IN, WI. all the plains states , and the intermountain states of ID, MT, UT, and NV. No way do you get 60 votes in the Senate to repeal Taft-Harley! Wake up and see reality, and don’t give the sacred line of BS that you gave above!

    1. Are unions beneficial or harmful?
      1. Think about WalMart employees.
      2. Remember the fire across from the art museum in 1979?

      I would have to compare unions to someone who stayed at the party too long and now isn’t welcome back.

    2. I never said it was only Mississippi UTF. I know legislation that is anti-union is passed in many different states. As I’m sure you know that you reside in one of the poorest states in the Union. Oh, I better not say Union.

      1. The UAW’s 2012 LM-2 report shows UAW membership continued to grow, increasing from 380,716 in 2011 to 382,513 in 2012. The growth in UAW membership continues along with the nation’s economic recovery. The successful turnaround of the automotive industry through the joint work of UAW auto members, auto management, and the Obama administration has played a key role in the recovery of the U.S. economy.

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