Drinking Tea with Jesus

Joe the Plumber sadly comes to mind- just to put a face on the enormous problem facing this democracy. He and a bevy of right-wingers have popped up like mushrooms in the last decade. Quite a few were elected to Congress in 2010 [because so many Democrats stayed home!] and they have a choke-hold on the GOP in the House. Why did they get elected?  Who are the constituents who voted them in? What were they thinking?  Better yet, were they thinking or were they believing?

Teavangelicals is the newest hot-political word abuzz in DC.  As the compound word suggests, it is a careful blend of tea and Jesus. Fundamentalists are gulping the carefully concocted brew like half-dead survivors of a Mojave Desert misadventure. Tea and Jesus or for some operating in an alternate universe, tea with Jesus. The distinction is apparently irrelevant.

David Brody, the Chief Political Correspondent for the Christian Broadcasting Network, has penned a piece that he named, The Teavangelicals: The Inside Story of How the Evangelicals and the Tea Party are Taking Back America.  The author says of the intersection of the Tea Party and Evangelicals: it will result in how the people of the movement aim to restore the American Dream to its original glory. Notice the proper noun, American Dream. Glory is always a handy propaganda word, too.

Restoring the American Dream. Does it sound like fiction? How does one restore a dream? I had a dream last night…

What does Jesus have to do with all of this? I’m betting that these Teavangelicals are salvation-ists rather than followers of the man- you know, ignore his life’s work, teachings and actions and focus on his death. After all, his LIFE and his ACTIONS don’t exactly mesh with Tea Party ideals. So, forget all of that and focus on his final 3-hours of life- the ‘gimme’ part. “Gimme my salvation, now leave me alone!”

Author Brody suggests that both the Tea Party and Evangelicals embrace one another’s ideals. That is interesting and possibly true if and only if the Evangelicals are salvation-ists. Why? Because the Jesus of action, the Jesus of the poor, outcast, weak and oppressed does not mesh with the Tea Party agenda.

‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ [Matthew 25].

How does Matthew gel with Tea Party Issue #2: Reducing the Size and Scope of Government? Brody quips, “That’s scary for evangelicals who believe that people should rely on God, not the government.”

Rely on God, he says. Well, how does that exactly work, Mr. Brody? How does God interdict hunger, sickness, prison and squalor?  What’s his plan?

And what did Jesus say [God’s supposed son]?

Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.

Is there a distinction between God and Jesus? Of course the two verses from Matthew are from the LIFE of Jesus. Sadly, the salvation-ists don’t focus on that stuff.  He came to DIE, not to be an example of LIVING.

The idiocy of it all stifles me.



22 thoughts on “Drinking Tea with Jesus

  1. I just looked at the article referenced above, written by Obeidallah,
    a Moslem.

    I noticed the following from it, “Toward Mormons, Fischer said they are not Christians….” Fischer is the head of a reactionary christian

    In the thinking of many that is a truism. While I don’t believe that Mormons or Moslems should not be tolerated, a person can still
    express this or her opinion. Just one question to ponder. How can
    a religion said to be christian that does not believe in the divinity
    of Christ or in the Trinity?

    However, that is not the questions to ask Romney. The questions to
    ask Romney is how does his religious beliefs determine his public policy as towards women’s rights, contraception, immigration,
    civil rights, voting rights, food stamps, health care, social security,
    environment, and the myriad of other issues that religion could
    Just yesterday Romney gave a speech to Latino leaders criticizing
    Obama”s recent executive order on immigration…He said he had
    a “solution”, not a political gimmick which the President gave to buy
    Latino votes. The question is what is the solution? He gave no
    specific points. Just that he would have a bipartisan “solution.”
    Might that be “self-deportation”? Sounds like a pig-in-a-poke
    statement….It would be perfectly fine to me for a reporter to ask
    Romney how his Mormon religion would dictate his immigration policy…Will that question be asked?

    1. ask Romney how his Mormon religion would dictate his immigration policy…Will that question be asked?

      Will it? Good question.

      1. No, it won’t! But, did the Baptists and other denominations ask JFK in 1960? Yep, they sure did. And, at the famous Baptist
        meeting in Houston he said that his religion was a private matter, and would have no bearing on his public policies. It is
        interesting to remember, that the Baptists and other WASPs were concerned about the catholic church’s stand on birth control. They were afraid that Kennedy would support legislation forbidding contraception because the Papacy had long opposed it.

        It seems to me any question about a person’s personal faith is out of bounds. However, when it goes to substance, it is fair to ask.
        Where is Lawrence Spivak, when you need him? And, I think
        that Romney and the campaign are afraid of any such question
        like that..It seems to me this is why they are avoiding any
        discussion about his work as a missionary, as a local church leader,and all his tithing to the church. Those are all good attributes he has done, but they do want to talk about that. To talk about them, then to them seems to open up the church’s stand on the various issues.

        Could be something to persue

  2. A good friend of mine was the music director of a mega Roman Catholic church in Livermore, California. He quit after witnessing the church passing out “YES ON 8” yard signs after every mass. So I propose three questions to you.

    1. When I donate directly to a political candidate or issue, I cannot claim a tax deduction. But if I donate to a “church” for a political reason, I can claim the deduction (allowing me to donate even more). Why can’t we fix this?

    2. At the Sunday services, do you think the church pastor riles the congregation into a tizzy and almost hypnotizes them to think a certain way different than they would think rationally, all the while claiming it’s “God’s” intention?

    3. If you answered yes to question 2, do you think pre-voting on Sunday is a good thing? I mean, loading the church buses* with a frenzied group of disoriented people and taking them to vote**?

    * I actually heard this as a reason for allowing voting on the Sunday before the scheduled election day.
    ** I did witness a similar situation during the 2008 presidential voting.

  3. Question 2, NON, is more for M_R to comment on…
    Is the Minister talking about the Old Testament GOD or instructing
    on the New Testament’s God made man, Jesus as the Son of God?
    As to Question 3, voting on Sunday is a rather new development..I
    have wondered how it gets around the Constitutional date for voting
    of electors. While I agree that voting isgood. I have wondered abouyt
    absentee voting in the same way. Both of these voting
    procedures takes away any last changes the candidates make’ one can’t go back and change hs vote on election day. Yeah, Non, I do
    have a problem with it. I’m not all that sure that it would be voter
    suppression to limit that activity. I also have a problem with the
    post card ballot that can be sent it weeks ahead of time.

  4. Hello Muddy and All,
    My two week observation of the Columbus, Ohio and surrounding areas by Engineer of Knowledge:

    First off the job is going well and the people I work with and for are very good. I am going to enjoy this new position.

    I have explored the Dublin, Westerville, Gahanna, Worthington suburb areas of Columbus and I am very pleased how nice the towns are.

    I attend the Gahanna, Jazz and Blues Festival last week and it was a nice Friday and Weekend “Things To Do” in the area.

    This week I had Friday afternoon off so I went to the “ComFest” event going on in the Goodale Park of Columbus, OH this weekend. Good music and all kinds of “Hippy” art. It was a good selection of the population demographics in attendance. One of the booths at the festival was a place where you could sign the petition to stop the gerrymandering going on in Ohio today. I was glad to see the people of Ohio taking the effort to bust the crooked districts designed by the corrupt Republicans in this state.

    I know that Ohio has its share of Religious Loonies but I am hoping for others in Ohio to come to its rescue from them in this next election.

    Muddy I know this was off topic but I did want to pass on to those I communicate with in Ohio how things were going for me.

    1. Just got back from a few days in Columbus myself. If you have a sick pet, The Ohio State Companion Animal Hospital is a great place to make them better.

  5. Good to have the update, Engineer. Isn’t it amazing all the various
    activities and programs that are available right in our own back
    yard! It is cultural and physical activity as well. I have lived in
    many areas of the United States and have discovered that this
    seems to be universal. Despite M_R’s misgivings about the Deep
    South having any clutre and p;ositive achievements, if he would
    come to Jackson, MS he would not have enough vacation time
    to take it all in. There is something on-going all the time in the
    Jackson area. There are four universityes with all of their cultural activities, famous speaker presentations, and sporting events.
    And, you know what, while it is in my own backyard, we still
    sit at home, lol….Kudos to you, Engineer, for the get up and go!

  6. I was reading a post by Engineer about the Comstock Laws and he filled in a bit of personal history. I am interested in hearing more about it. What life was like, where this was, etc. My grandmother knew M. Sanger and helped her with her work. I guess the personal history of that time and the aspect of birth control, sexuality, and repression interest me. It seems pertinent to these days, and somehow even my life.

  7. BTW, do you know how some of this Sunday voting works? In many
    churches the minister tells the congregation how they are going to
    vote. Everyone dutifully follows his/her directions. Now, that is
    real democracy at work!

  8. Just watched “8: The Mormon Proposition”. Can the Mormon Church really be the Church portrayed in this movie?

    We shouldn’t hold someone’s religion or lack of religion against them. But on the other hand, we would never vote for someone who is a member of the KKK or the Black Panthers. And these two groups pale in comparison to Mormonism. I just hear people responding “But JFK was a Catholic”. The Roman Catholic Church today is much more political than it was in 1960 and the Catholics have never been anywhere near as secretive as the Mormon Church. And then you have that political control thing the Mormons seem to actively pursue.

    1. NON writes, “…you have that political control thing the Mormons seem to actively pursue.”

      That has always interested me, NON. But, what is the temple’s
      positions politically? I mean there is Harry Reid, a Mormon, who
      is a progressive, and there is Hatch who is a conservative; one a GOP and the other a Dem. Are they both in good standing with temple beliefs?

      1. The Roman Catholic Church has used “excommunication” as a threat if members acted against their wishes. Seems they really only used it against elected officials who didn’t follow lock-step with the church controllers*. I fear that the Mormons are far more controlling.

        * I won’t call them church “leaders” because they aren’t. They are only in positions of power because others like them appointed them. Yes, it’s exactly how the Communist model of government works.

        (In the movie it showed Mormons following directions from living “prophets”. I still can’t believe that is really true, but if it is, oh boy!)

        1. BOTTOM LINE: I want elected officials to follow the wants of the people who elected them, not some kook who claims to talk to “God”.

        2. “excommunication” as a threat…

          Some people with whom I hang would love to get excommunicated. One quipped, ‘Do they send you a card like AAA?’ Another, ‘Can you wear a pin that says, ‘I’ve been excommunicated?”

          Are there Excommunicated Anonymous groups?

          Really, it’s quite humorous if you think about it- as if ‘they’ have some sort of power to disallow a person to worship as one pleases. Funny but pathetic, considering all of the lives that have been ruined by that word.

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