Truth Has To Withstand The Light Of Scrutiny

by ENGINEER OF KNOWLEDGE

For those calling themselves “Old Testament Fundamentalist Christians” and insist that “Creationism” be taught in our public schools as a science class, I have one simple question,  “What version of Creationism do you want to have taught?”

The first question to consider is “How long did it take to create the earth?”

The book of Genesis creation account states that the earth took seven days but another account states that it took one day.  The Bible’s first creation story is the longer and better known account of creation taking six days. The Bible’s second creation story is much shorter and depicts the creation of heaven and earth requiring just one day.

First Creation Story:

Genesis 1:3 – 2:3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. … And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. …And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Second Creation Story:

Genesis 2:4: These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

Which story about the creation of “the earth and the heavens” is supposed to be correct? Were the heavens and the earth created over the course of six days as it says in one Bible story or were they created in just one day as it says in the second Bible story? The two Bible stories can’t both be correct, but they can both be false.

The second question to consider is the contradictory accounts of, “When the stars were created.”

The first creation story in Genesis says that the stars were created on the fourth day, the day after the earth was created. Job, however, says that at the time the corner stone of the earth was laid, the stars already existed.

Genesis Account of God Creating the Stars:

Genesis 1:9-13; 16-19: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called the Seas: and God saw that it was good. …And the evening and the morning were the third day. …

He made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Job Account of God Creating the Stars:

Job 38:4-7: Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Which story of when God created the stars is supposed to be correct? These Bible verses are contradictory because they can’t both be true: either God created at least some stars first then the earth, or God created the earth first then all the stars.

The third question to consider is the contradictory accounts of, “How the birds were created by God.”

The Bible’s first creation story says that the birds were created from “the waters.” The Bible’s second creation story says that the birds were created “out of the ground.” Since it had already been established earlier in Genesis that the land had been separated from the waters, these two Bible stories contradict each other. So how were the birds created: from the waters or from the ground?

First Creation Story:

Genesis 1:9-10; 20-21: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called the Seas: and God saw that it was good. …

And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Second Creation Story:

Genesis 2:19: And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Which story of how God created “every fowl of the air” is supposed to be the correct one? The two Bible stories contradict each other and so they cannot both be true, though they can both be false.

The forth question to consider is the contradictory accounts of, “When humans were created.”

The Bible’s first creation story has humans being created after all the other animals had been created. The Bible’s second creation story has humans being created first. Well, to be specific it has the first man being create first, then all the other animals, then finally the first woman is created. So when exactly were humans created relative to other animals?

First Human Creation Story:

Genesis 1:25-27: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image…. So God created man in his own image.

Second Human Creation Story:

Genesis 2:18-19: And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

So which of the stories about the creation of humans is supposed to be the “correct” one? The order of events in the two Bible stories contradict each other and they cannot both be true though they can both be false.

Now for the fifth and one of my favorite is the contradictory accounts of, “When and how Eve, the first woman, was created.”

The Bible’s first creation story says that Eve was created at the same time as Adam. The Bible’s second creation story says that Adam was created first, then all the animals were created, and finally Eve was created from one of Adam’s ribs. So when was Eve created relative to Adam and other animals?

First Human Creation Story:

Genesis 1:27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Second Human Creation Story:

Genesis 2:18-22: And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

It’s interesting that so many people remember the second story about Eve being created from Adam’s rib, but not the first one. Granted, it’s a more engaging story with more going on, but is it a mere coincidence that it’s also the story in which woman is portrayed as secondary to man?  Is it merely a coincidence that the creation story which churches emphasize is the one in which woman was created simply to help man while the creation story where woman is created as an equal alongside man is not?

So which story about the creation of Eve is supposed to be the “correct” one? The order and nature of events in these two Bible stories are contradictory and they cannot both be true, though they can both be false.

So for those Yahoos who claim that Evolution is just a theory and flawed science I give you your own source of your viewpoints and would have these contradictions taught as science in our public schools and fire science teachers who did not if it were not for the DARN TEACHER’S UNIONS to protect them for the likes of the Yahoos in our society.

So to conclude, one, the other, or both of the contradictory creation stories must be treated as incorrect.  If you find just ONE of these examples incorrect, you must take the WHOLE SOURCE the Ultra Fundamentally Religious reference as fact, to be flawed and incorrect.  Definitely not a viable resource to be teaching science to our children.

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19 thoughts on “Truth Has To Withstand The Light Of Scrutiny

  1. This is my kind of reading. Can’t wait to start some research on related topics. Thanks Mr. Mud.

    1. Thanks for the link. I read the article and found it humorous- humorous in that the supposed ‘outraged’ Christian who complained about the ‘pagan-ness’ of the symbols has no clue about the entire myth of Christmas- the myth based on neolithic beliefs and symbols. Truly hilarious!

  2. Excellent and thoughtful post, Engineer. The ‘thoughtful’ reference will of course exclude any further discussion of the hypothesis because mumbo-jumbo is not permitted in the science classes of public schools.

    The life of the fundamentalist, naturally, is filled with awe and wonder and magic- just like the lives of neolithic humans. They, too, ‘believed’ in lots of supernatural stuff- myths, magic and gods. The only difference is that today’s [c]hristian fundamentalist has melted down all of the bronze statues of idols into a singular bronze statue- a simple physical change, but the chemical properties [and mystical properties] are retained. Thus the newest ‘idol’ merely takes on a new form and a new name, yet the supernatural abilities, the myths and the magic remain.

    To those of us living in the real world, the 21st century, this show is nothing more than neolithic people with cell phones and automobiles.

  3. Engineer…..Am I remembering correctly, hard to do now lol, that you are
    a mason? If so, could you give a summation of its beliefs and works?

  4. Hello Uptheflag,
    I want to start off by saying I am drawing a difference between science and faith. This posting is with reference between trying to teach faith as science. I have no problem that a person may have Faith but do not try to force it into schools as Science. One of the biggest arguments from Evangelical Fundamentalist Christians with Evolution is that “It is just a flawed theory.” I am presenting the counter point to their preferred reference sources that they use to establish their viewpoints, and the inconsistencies within this same Book of Genesis source.

    Now that being said, a Freemason must believe in God, an atheist cannot be made a Mason. Now by God, you can be Christian, Muslim, Jew, or Hindu, as Freemasonry is about the Brotherhood of Men who are Masons. Freemasons are a Fraternity with the values of, “Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You,” as an example. You have seen the bumper stickers with the religious symbols of different faiths spelling “Coexist;” kind of the same thing. I have sat in Lodges with all except a Hindu only because the opportunity has not come about. This is why some Evangelical Christians say Freemasons are Devil Worshiping because if you are respecting the fact that another Brother maybe of the Muslim or Jewish faith but bottom line they are all Masonic Brothers and I have all due respect for them. I do not try to convert them nor do they preach to me. We respect each others faith and our bond is that of a knight’s oath to each other as Brothers. I can think of a Brother who I have the utmost respect for and he is a Russian Jew and came to the United States as a young boy. An outstanding man and I would not change a thing about him.

    This is where our Founding Fathers who were Freemasons made sure “Freedom of Religion” needed to be in our Constitution. Freemason were first formed in this country in 1717 so many of the aspects, “Freedom of Religion,” “Freedom of Speech,” “All Men are Created Equal,” etc were not unique to the formation of this country but were values and respect within Freemasonry for 100’s of years before 1776.

    This topic also gives me a chance to pass on that I participated in a “Mass Conferment” at the Grand Lodge of Maryland and was a mentor / monitor to a candidate who we inducted as an Entered Apprentice (1st Degree) in my local Lodge and I explained, taught, and pointed out the esoteric aspects of the next two ritual of the Degrees being conferred.

    The young man that I was with is on the staff of Congressman Andy Harris from the 1st district of Maryland. I will be teaching him is 2nd Degree and 3rd Degree Catechism. I will be addressing the Extreme Right Wing viewpoints are flawed. In the long run…..I win back my Republican Party one man at at time. :-)

    The rites and lessons of the Fraternity are based on the building instruments in stone work used in building King Solomon’s Temple, Plumb, Level, Square, etc. and the operative applications of those tools. The speculative esoteric applications of these tools and meanings are within the rituals. All of this was started by the Knights Templar during their time and the Masonic Guilds of Mid Evil Europe who were building the Cathedrals and Castles. Ftor instance the term “Lodge” for the buildings Freemasons meet refers to the Lodges (Lean To Sheds) that during the winter months the Guilds would stay in and carve stones for be laid when the weather broke in the spring.

    So I guess to answer your question, Freemasonry is not a Religion but a Fraternity of Men.

    1. Thanks, Engineer…Is there a concise book that you can recommend? How does the conspiratorial aspect of free masonry develope?

      Can a Mormon be a Mason?

  5. Mud- Now I have a challenge for you. I will be arriving in Columbus on 01-13-12. I will be there for 3 weeks, maybe 4, depending. I would like to meet you, so that you can explain to me in person, why you posted lies about me on your blog. I can drive to you. I know it will take awhile, but I’m just that damn curious. I just want to know why you would do what you did. I never treated you with such disrespect and I always tried treating you with the utmost fairness. We may have disagreed, but I never made up lies about you. I’m just curious as to why you would make up lies about me.

    So their is the challenge. If you accept, we’ll figure out how to contact each other. Closer to 1/13/12

    1. Oh, JOB, you are a hoot. You sound like CS who wanted to meet me man-to-man with pistols at 20 paces. Or TGP who wanted to beat me up. The machismo on the right-side of life is amazing. It’s all about bluster and ideology.

      It reminds me of a story that my wife tells of her cousin and uncle. One was a staunch Democrat, the other a steadfast Republican. They literally came to blows one day over politics. Imagine that, a son and father hitting each other because of some ideology.

      Sorry to disappoint you, JOB, but I have better things to do than what you suggest. We can explore our differences here on our keyboards in ‘virtual reality’ if that would be of some benefit to you and your ego.

      Perhaps we could begin with the ‘lies’ so that you can explain to me in person, why you posted lies about me on your blog.

      Go ahead, JOB, list these lies for all of us to see. I’ll be attentive to your reply.

      1. Don’t you find it curious that the “Godly” people become so hostile when confronted with facts?

        TGP swore he wasn’t smart enough (no argument here) to bar comments, but he manged to delete a factual comment I posted. Seems they’ll argue till the cows come home until there’s no refuting the facts, then they fall strangely silent.

        Mr. Mud, I’ve read some of the comments J.O.B. wrote about you and I don’t see of any good coming out of meeting him in person. Those people are just plain mean.

        1. I’ve read some of the comments J.O.B. wrote about you… Yes, I’m sure you are accurate and it doesn’t surprise me at all. When these right-wingers cannot back up their idiotic statements they always, always turn to personal attacks. It’s in their psyche, like they are stuck in permanent adolescence. Remember your adolescence NON? Ugly time, just like mine, but we grew out of that mind-set, thankfully, towards being fully-functioning adult males.

          If you keep in mind the thought that many ARE stuck in that adolescent stage of growth, it makes the reading of their insults and vicious personal attacks almost laughable. They actually believe that these assaults ‘hurt us’ because, after all, they USED TO hurt us back in the days when we were adolescents. Now they are almost humorous, pathetic, but humorous.

      2. Mud- Maybe a challenge isn’t the right word, but given the opportunity, I wouldn’t mind meeting you, NON, or Sepp. I just figured I would throw it out there. If I ever go to D.C., I wouldn’t mind meeting Engineer. TGP, if I’m ever in N.C., or Dottie, if I’m ever in France.

        It’s not a challenge to a fight, or something, you goofball. I will admit, that I said nasty s##t about you. That stemmed from anger. Not at your beliefs, but at your comment. (You claimed I called you a c##t.) That’s just not true.

        I am here offering a truce. If you do not want to meet, that’s cool. I totally understand, I would be a little nervous myself, seeing how there are certain types of people on the internet.

        But, I think it would be a shame to suspend all dialogue between the two of us over 1 disagreement. However, if you want to do that, that’s fine too. No more ill will, on my part at least. Well, that’s all I have to say, hopefully you accept the truce, but if not, I wish you the best……………………

  6. Hmmmm…..I don’t know about all this evolution stuff. I saw the story of creation in a museum, so it must be true. And like I always say, if the King James Bible was good enough for Jesus it’s good enough for me!

    And like my good “Christian” friend said, “how can anyone think we’re related to apes?” Or “There’s no way we came from slime!”

    They keep telling me I need to be “reborn” to become a “Christian”; I always thought they got my birth right the first time.

    And I think the first time I ever heard of evolution was from a Roman Catholic nun during summer “church” school. She must have been confused because she told us it really doesn’t matter in the big picture.

  7. Hello Uptheflag,
    Thank you as you ask the best questions and I am glad to answer them.

    I will answer your last question first. Yes a Mormon can be a Freemason as they do believe in God. Now this is not to be confused with refering to Jesus as I give the example of a person of Jewish Faith can be a Mason.

    This is one problem that Evangelical Fundamentalist have with Freemasonry. They keep wanting to make Freemasonry a religion. There are two Rabbis who are Chaplains in the Grand Line of the Grand Lodge in Maryland. There are a few Chaplains of different faiths and denominations who can fill that chair within the Lodges. Even a layman can be the Chaplain appointed by the Worshipful Master. Now when I say Worshipful Master, it is the old term for a “Mentor” who instructs students. A term of respect and not in a religious manner. Worshipful Master is the President of the Lodge to put a better understanding on this term.

    Now to address how the conspiratorial aspect of Freemasonry developed. I think that it is human nature that when a group meets with meetings with secrets and not open to the public, many will view them with suspicion of fear of the unknown. Below is a long but complete answer to your question.

    First some background information:
    “Lucifer” as Latin name for the Morning Star:
    In Latin, the word “Lucifer”, meaning “Light-Bringer” from lux, lucis, “light”, and ferre, “to bear, bring,” is a name used for the Morning Star, the planet Venus, in its dawn appearances. The word is used in its astronomical sense both in prose and poetry, but most poets personify the star in a mythological context. You can see how many uneducated jumped to the conclusion and association of Lucifer to Satan. How the Roman God of Light and Illumination got morphed into the Prince of Darkness is a topic worth some discussion.

    “Adonay” the name for the Evening Star:
    Adon, in Hebrew, means “lord.” In Latin, the word “Adonay” or the plural form “Adonai” means god. Whereas words such as Elohim (god, or authority), El (mighty one), Shaddai (almighty), Adonai (master), Elyon (most high), Avinu (our father), etc. are not names but titles, highlighting different aspects of YHWH, and the various roles which God has. Adonai is a name used for the Evening Star, the planet Venus, in its evening manifestations.

    Adonai (אֲדׄנָי): Because the name of the Hebrew god, Jehovah, is considered too sacred to be spoken, the Jews substitute Adonai, meaning “my Lord.”

    Adonis (Άδωνις): Greek name derived from Hebrew “Adonai,” meaning “my lord.” In mythology, this is the name of a beautiful youth who was loved by Aphrodite. He was killed while hunting a boar and the anemone flower sprang from his blood.

    Léo Taxil’s Hoax:
    Léo Taxil, whose real name is Marie Joseph Gabriel Antoine Jogand-Pagès, claimed that Freemasonry is associated with worshipping Lucifer. In what is known as the Taxil hoax, he claimed that supposedly leading Freemason Albert Pike had addressed “The 23 Supreme Confederated Councils of the world,” an invention of Taxil, instructing them that Lucifer was God, and was in opposition to the evil god Adonai. Albert Pike was the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite’s Southern Jurisdiction in 1859 and remained Sovereign Grand Commander for the remainder of his life, a total of thirty-two years, devoting a large amount of his time to developing the rituals of the order. He published a book called, “Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in 1871.

    Léo Taxil promoted a book by Diana Vaughan, which was actually written by himself, as he later confessed publicly, that purported to reveal a highly secret ruling body called the, “Palladium,” which controlled the organization and had a Satanic agenda. As described by Freemasonry Disclosed in 1897:

    “With frightening cynicism, the miserable person we shall not name here (Taxil) declared before an assembly especially convened for him that for twelve years he had prepared and carried out to the end the most sacrilegious of hoaxes. We have always been careful to publish special articles concerning Palladism and Diana Vaughan. We are now giving in this issue a complete list of these articles, which can now be considered as not having existed.”

    This false information came from Léo Taxil, which was the pen name of Marie Joseph Gabriel Antoine Jogand-Pagès. Léo Taxil hired a prostitute by the name of, Diana Vaughan, who was supposed to be the female involved in Satanic Freemasonry rituals.

    On April 19, 1897 Taxil called a press conference at which he claimed he would introduce Diana Vaughan to the press. He instead announced that many of his revelations about the Freemasons were nothing more than a fictitious con job.
    Taxil’s work and Pike’s address continue to be quoted by anti-Masonic groups.

    Palladists is a name for an alleged Theistic Satanist society or member of that society. The name Palladian comes from Pallas and refers to wisdom and learning.

    The Order of Palladium:
    Lewis Spence, in the book, “An Encyclopedia of Occultism” written in 1920, asserted that “The Order of Palladium founded in Paris 20 May 1737 or Sovereign Council of Wisdom” was a “Masonic diabolic order.” Evangelical Fundamentalists were really coming into their own at this time and picked up the mantle of this fabricated joke of Leo Taxil’s and Lewis Spence. Women, according to Spence, were initiated as “Companions of Penelope”. The society had two orders, “Adelph” and “Companion of Ulysses”; however the society was broken up by French law enforcement a few years after its foundation.

    In 1891 Léo Taxil and Adolphe Ricoux claimed to have discovered a Palladian Society. An 1892 French book Le Diable au XIXe siècle (The Devil in the 19th Century”, 1892), written by “Dr. Bataille,” which was actually written by Léo Taxil himself, alleged that Palladists were Satanists based in Charleston, South Carolina headed by the American Scottish Rite Freemason, Albert Pike, and created by the Italian liberal patriot and author, Giuseppe Mazzini.

    Léo Taxil supposedly found Diana Vaughan and published the book, “Confessions of an Ex-Palladist,” in 1895. On April 19, 1897 Léo Taxil called a press conference at which, he claimed, he would introduce Diana Vaughan to the press. At the conference instead he announced that his revelations about the Freemasons were fictitious. He thanked the Catholic Clergy for their assistance in giving publicity to his wild claims.

    Consequently, it is clear now in the light of history that the Palladists never existed as a historical reality and were, in fact, entirely an invention of Léo Taxil created for the purpose of embarrassing the Catholic Church.

    This is the origins of Satanic or Devil Worshiping plus the acceptance of different faiths within Freemasonry is all that is needed for some to take what started out as a fabricated joke on the Catholic Church as fact today. You can read some really silly stuff on the internet being posted by these people.

    There is a book called, “The New Encyclopedia of Freemasonry” by Arthur Edward Waite that is a good source but very DRY reading if you are not a Manson and have a better understanding of its contents. I enjoy reading Dan Brown but there is much artistic licenses. His latest book, “The Lost Symbol” is entertaining reading, and being made into a movie, dealing with Freemasonry and more to the Scottish Rite.

    1. I’ve heard about the Freemasons influence in documents relating to the birth of our nation. It’s quite interesting to see the influences, but very interesting to realize the intent behind the influences.

      Being raised Roman Catholic, it’s also scary to realize why the “Church” was so against the Masons. I seem to remember it being a sin to even step into a Masonic Temple. Of course I also heard that Roman Catholics weren’t welcome. Here in Toledo, the “Masonic” was host to many public events. I finally ventured into the Masonic one night as a guest of National City Bank (now PNC Bank) to watch the road show of South Pacific. Nary a naughty religious symbol in sight.

  8. Hello NON,
    At one time the Catholic and Lutheran Churches would not allow their members to become Freemasons. I have a Brother in my lodge whose father joined when he was a boy (this boy is now 68 years old) and one Sunday after Church, the Lutheran Minister took the father aside and told the father that if he had joined the Freemasons, he could not be a Lutheran anymore. The man’s father told the Lutheran Minister, “Very well I don’t need to be Lutheran anymore,” and never went back.

    It was in the mid-1800’s, on six different occasions, between 1846 and 1873, Pope Pius IX condemned Freemasonry and its kindred secret sects.
    “You are from your father the devil,” he said to them in Singulari Quadam, “and it is the works of your father that you wish to do.”

    This all came about from the time of the Knights Templar. King Philip of France had been king since the age of 17 and had inherited much debt from his predecessors. This meant that loans were made from the Jews, the Church, and the Knights Templar in order to maintain the country. This inevitably led to poor repayment by the monarchy and caused drastic swings in the economy leading to riots and a call for the removal of King Philip. The Knights Templar allowed the king to seek refuge within their preceptory for a few days and it is believed that during this time King Philip forged a plot to arrest The Jews on June 24th 1307 and the Knights Templar on Friday the 13th, of October 1307, the King and his ally the Pope (Clement V) ordered the Templars arrested on trumped up charges in order to obtain the Templar’s wealth, property and remove all debts that were owed to them by the monarchy, explaining why Friday 13th is deemed unlucky by some people.

    I can say today that I have met a man who was Knights of Columbus, (The Catholic’s “Me Too” to the Freemasons) and he was also a Freemason. Things have relaxed on this part for Catholics. As far as the Freemasons are concerned, Catholics are indeed all very welcome.

    It was on the Pope Pius IX religious decrees that Léo Taxil decided to run his scam to make the Catholic Church look bad.

    I should also add that my wife and two daughters are all Catholics.

    1. Interesting enough, I refused to join the Knights of Columbus because of their “secrets”. When I was younger I wanted to join Demolay because they did fun stuff while our own C.Y.O. (Catholic Youth Organization) never did anything. So we actually formed a Boy Scout Troop made up of older teenagers. If you belonged to the Boy Scouts, you could always get into the really cool camping areas.

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