Silent majority fed up with Washington

An op-ed on CNN by Lou Zickar, editor of The Ripon Forum, says that there is a ‘silent majority’ here in America and that they are ‘underrepresented in American political life.’ Zickar describes these people as the ones who

  supported the Democrats in 2008 and the Republicans in 2010. They voted for Obama because he seemed like a different kind of leader, and then opposed him two years later because he ended up being not that different at all.  They’re willing to give him another shot next year, because they like him. But they’re keeping their eyes open for other possible candidates. If you had to put a label on them, it would most likely be independent, but there are also some Republicans and Democrats in the group.

Zickar says that ‘they’re looking for results from their leaders, not rhetoric, because they want government to work. To that same end, they’re looking for value, not values, from Washington, because they want to know the tax dollars they are sending to our Nation’s capital are being put to good use and providing some sort of return.’

Hmm.  I like what Zickar has said and I think that I’m not too far-off from the position of as this group of people.  Results not rhetoric.  Value not values. And he says that this group of Americans want their leaders to come together and make the tough decisions needed to move this nation forward. He concludes: Amid all the rhetoric and finger pointing, isn’t it time our elected leaders listen to their voice?

Well, clearly it is past time for that to happen, but the partisan rhetoric, fueled by special interest money, muzzles our members of Congress. Nothing will change as long as those elected to Congress are tied more closely to their doners than the people they represent. The looming debt-ceiling crisis is symptomatic of the ends to which well-funded ideologues will go to prove their point.

Meanwhile 300,000,000 Americans stand by and watch the horror develop as 500 men and women bicker and defend their political contributors and their personal ideology. Surely this is not what our Founding Fathers envisioned some 230 years ago. It’s time for another Constitutional Convention because this system of governance is not serving The People any longer.

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21 thoughts on “Silent majority fed up with Washington

  1. Hello Muddy,
    There is a great injustice going on here in the United States and the Tea Party within the Republican Party is leading the way. This current issue of raising the debt limit is not about reducing purchases in the future but paying for what has already been bought and delivered……Like bomb, bullets, rockets, missiles, etc. The Low Information Voters of the Ultra-Conservative have no idea what is really at hand here with this current topic.

    All the Tea Party members in congress will achieve to accomplish is to ruin this country’s credit and world wide banking outlook. They will do much more damage to our economy by accent and ignorance than anything before on purpose.

    It is time that Moderate Republicans take back their own Party and purge these Nut Baggers out.

  2. M_R says, will I assume it is M_R as there is no longer any ID on the person
    making the post???, :”It’s time for another Constitutional Convention because this system of governance is not serving The People any longer.”

    Now, how many times have you posted or commented on this same topic?
    And, each time I have had to respond that such a suggestion is a non-
    starter. The problem is not the framework, its the people. EOK says it
    when he comments, “It is time that Moderate Republicans take back their own Party and purge these Nut Baggers out.” And, I would add the Democrats
    as well…Hell, how many times have I commented on the inability of you
    Lucas voters to remove Marcy Kaptur because of her contaminated
    congressional-military-industrial fund raising and support? Yet, there is no
    post about her filling her pocets with the above lobbyist to finance her
    next election…..It seems to me that the issue is accountability…Congress
    is not accountable; its only accountable to the wealthy and the corporations.
    That is roughly the top 5% of the population.
    So, M_R, is suggesting that we scrap it all and start over as a way to change.
    However, the conditions for change have to be created. This is NOT being done here. Posting and commeting as a way to vent our fustration doesnt
    seem to help. However, it does reach an audience we need, as we are the
    choir. Fundamental change is still possible, but, in all due respect, we seem
    to be spectators. Here are some of the questions in the public sphere:
    The American Dream vs. a Plutarchy;
    Social capitalism vs. darwinian capitalism;
    Is EQUAL OPPORTUNITY for everyone vs. the elite 5%;
    greed and selfishness vs. upward economic system’
    Equal Education vs. a system of property financed education, and charters;
    21st Century infrastructure;
    Public Interest vs. Private Interest;
    Real Public Policy vs. and elitist policy;
    Transparency in public affairs vs. closed decision making.

    We have to sell hope and opportunity. The GOP certainly doesnt and
    neither does much of the Democratic Party any more. We can nail
    the politicos, and this is done every day here. It’s COMMON SENSE
    on what needs to be changed.

    However, the conditions have to be created, yes, created. Conditions make change possible. EG, when Martin Luther King, Jr asked President LBJ for the Voting Rights Act, LBJ said he did not have the votes. King left the WH
    and created the conditions to get those votes. Within two days King was
    in Selma, AL leading a march that we watched on our TV trays at dinner
    of men, women, children, seniors, disabled being tear gased and beaten to have the right to vote. Americans were irate, the hue and cry went out, and
    in five months King and Rosa Park were at LBJ’s side as he signed the
    voting rights act into law. Most of us on here were already there, but the
    country wasn’t. It needed a condition, and that is exactly what is needed
    now.

    People in postion don’t give in easily. They “stand in the door”. We have to challenge the status quo. There has to be a demand issued. And, in
    in general, it has been marches in D.C.. Yeah, D.C. may have to be
    surrounded, non-violently, like King did. Will American people show up
    in the millions to solve the problem in D.C.?

    1. I agree with you. Talking about eating isn’t eating. We have forgotten that words are only secondary representations.

  3. Hello Uptheflag,
    You have posted a well thought out comment backed up by great examples. I also agree with your comment that both parties need to purge those whom indulge in the excesses of representing the wealthy special interest.

    I can also agree with your point of the conditions having to be created to break this strong hold. This being said, we have seen the Ultra-Extremes voicing there LIV viewpoints, but will the “Moderate American” people show up in the millions to solve the problem in D.C?

  4. Well, EOK, I look at the glass as half full. I don’t know how to reach the millions. What will be the condition that leads to the desired action? King new it was marches, so is that the way? How bad does it have to get for the people to come to D.C.? Really, the conditions are here: falling or status quo income,
    wealth pooling at the top, gross tax inequality, corporate greed, middle class
    falling to the upper lower class, only 18% approve D.C. favorably, loss of
    retirement savings, 401k’s evaporating, loss of manufacturing, tax havens,
    tax shelters, off-shore corporate HQs to avoid taxation, globalization, trade
    agreements, down-sizing, a service economy, hedge funds, the tax code,
    foreclosures, bankruptcies, agricultural degradation, infrastructure collapse,
    permanent unemployment, education cuts, public employee cuts, lower
    standard of living, and the list goes on. The problem is to put all this in a
    cohesive picture so the 95 percenters can identify with it.

    It’s like, EOK, the Afghanistan War in a way. If there was a draft in place, that
    war would have been over in 2008, if not earlier. Why? Because D.C. would see their sons and daughters coming home in bodybags and those of their
    wealthy friends and disctrict voters. But, when only 1% are involved in the war, there is no demand to stop. Even today, under Obama, how many evening news programs show the bodies arriving at Dover? So too, EOK, all
    the failures of the United States government in economics and societal issues
    go unnoticed. The news presents no call for action. Maybe, it’s the idea that
    people have the “I” attitude and not the “WE” attitude. King could have had
    an “I” attitude, but he didn’t. It was always “WE”, as in “We will Overcome.”
    That’s the figure we need today, a FDR, Truman, LBJ,RFK, Hubert Humphrey,
    Monsdale. Where is that man or woman today? Who is going to pick that
    mantle up? We may well be at that “now or never” point……

  5. How to reach them, you ask? That may be one aspect of the problem but here in Ohio ‘they’ are victims not only of low information, but of disenfranchisement.

    Our right-wing State House passed a draconian bill that requires a photo I.D. to vote. Our Senate has yet to act on it, but may take it up and move it to our right-wing governor.

    Our GOP legislators ASSume that everybody in Ohio drives a car and therefore has a driver’s license. And why wouldn’t they? After all, they are from the rural areas and the suburbs where EVERYBODY drives a car.

    They ought to come to Toledo and drive all of the way downtown on Dorr Street from the University of Toledo to see just how many people are clustered a bus stops waiting for their only form of transportation. But then, they wouldn’t make that drive because they would be afraid of being car-jacked or some such nonsense.

    That’s the mindset that permeates the Ohio House where plans to disenfranchise blacks and Hispanics originate. Forget the LIV; even if they knew the facts, they would be turned away at the polling places in November 2012.

    I’ll bet that Ohio isn’t alone in such a move. I’m guessing that other GOP-controlled legislatures are hard at work thinking of ways to keep “them” from voting in 2012.

    1. I dont know if I can reply or not, M_R and Laci.. In the “leave a reply box on
      wordpress, my comment about King was still there. No way to erase, so M_R just erase this comment if it still reprints my last comment. Yes, the MS Legislature is working on the same photo ID for voting. I agree with Laci……. Well, EOK, I look at the glass as half full. I don’t know how to reach the millions. What will be the condition that leads to the desired action? King new it was marches, so is that the way? How bad does it have to get for the people to come to D.C.? Really, the conditions are here: falling or status quo income,
      wealth pooling at the top, gross tax inequality, corporate greed, middle class
      falling to the upper lower class, only 18% approve D.C. favorably, loss of
      retirement savings, 401k’s evaporating, loss of manufacturing, tax havens,
      tax shelters, off-shore corporate HQs to avoid taxation, globalization, trade
      agreements, down-sizing, a service economy, hedge funds, the tax code,
      foreclosures, bankruptcies, agricultural degradation, infrastructure collapse,
      permanent unemployment, education cuts, public employee cuts, lower
      standard of living, and the list goes on. The problem is to put all this in a
      cohesive picture so the 95 percenters can identify with it.

      It’s like, EOK, the Afghanistan War in a way. If there was a draft in place, that
      war would have been over in 2008, if not earlier. Why? Because D.C. would see their sons and daughters coming home in bodybags and those of their
      wealthy friends and disctrict voters. But, when only 1% are involved in the war, there is no demand to stop. Even today, under Obama, how many evening news programs show the bodies arriving at Dover? So too, EOK, all
      the failures of the United States government in economics and societal issues
      go unnoticed. The news presents no call for action. Maybe, it’s the idea that
      people have the “I” attitude and not the “WE” attitude. King could have had
      an “I” attitude, but he didn’t. It was always “WE”, as in “We will Overcome.”
      That’s the figure we need today, a FDR, Truman, LBJ,RFK, Hubert Humphrey,
      Monsdale. Where is that man or woman today? Who is going to pick that
      mantle up? We may well be at that “now or never” point……

      1. Or to quote a son of Eireann:

        And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world, ask not what America will do for you, but what, together, we can do for the freedom of man.And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world, ask not what America will do for you, but what, together, we can do for the freedom of man.

        This isn’t too bad either from the same speech:

        So let us begin anew – remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof. Let us never negotiate out of fear, but let us never fear to negotiate.

  6. I have a post coming up inspred by something I heard on the radio.

    First off, the US media simplifies the issues, in particular, regarding the US budget. There is too much of an emphasis on making things black and white when the world exists in 256 greyscale. The same goes to US v. THEM in the myriad versions of that theme. Especially when one puts the US v. THEM in religious context. That makes it that WE are RIGHT and THEY are EVIL in a sense of religious fervour. This is why republican lawmakers can take an oath promising “no new taxes” even if it leads to economic Armageddon.

    You can’t have good health care because that’s “SOCIALISM”.

    In this viewpoint, the enemy is weak and WE are strong. Compromise is a sign of weakness, not a virtue. So, the lawmakers left and right are obstinate in their positions and not dealing with the issues.

    We can add in that the election process is kepts ridiculously long in the US for one major reason–Money. It costs more and more to run an election. And guess who is paying to run candidates?!?! The election process is a sham as is the current state of the media for providing adaquate information for the masses to make proper decisions. Too simplistic with solutions that are just bumperstickers.

    Ultimately, there is a lack of real leadership in the US. ALEC can provide “model” legislation for their lackeys to enact while they play games against the public interest.

  7. Well, it seems to me that Obama missed it tonight…A compromise with the
    GOP? If every Congress, without discussion, passed increased Debt
    Limits, then Obama should send a “clean” increased Debt Limit request to
    Congress. Let the GOP dare to let it die! (This could be the needed
    condition to rally the masses)

  8. The US is the only country that I know of which has a “debt ceiling”. Other countries regulate their debt through the market which decide whether it wants to buy the securities issued by those nations.

    In the past few years, the US has begun to use the budgetary process to push various agendas–in particular the right wing one where the “safety net” programmes are dismantled.

    If anything, this current “crisis” demonstrates some serious systemic problems with the US government and society in general. The US has gone far from the ideals it expoused when the Constitution was written. The “Tea PArty” crowd has taken an event which was a disgrace and chosen to use it, most correctly, as a symbol for their bankrupt policies.

  9. Sorry not to have commented but Monday was very complicated for me.

    UptheFlag commented about a march on DC. It’ll never happen because the economic trap that The People have fallen into is so subtle tht they don’t realize it. Whereas the 1929 crash was instantly felt, we are in a slow-motion disaster which is subtly draining the money from The People.

    It is an interesting phenomenon- not unlike a chicken being slowly cooked as the heat rises in the pot. Recall the historic line about a chicken in every pot…

  10. Then, M_R, we stand a real prospect of going down the tubes. We will
    have unfettered capitalism, greed, and selfishness to the extreme. It will
    even be difficult to stem the tide if the GOP prevails on the debt limit.
    Just look at what it’s calling for; it’s draconian!

    Apparently, we fought the Civil War for nothing, you think? And, to think,
    with the GOP plan it would be necessary to do this again in 6 months. How
    stupid! Businesses can’t run this way. Hell, it’s happening already as the GOP cut funding to the rural FAA, thereby laying off a number of people and stopping already approved airport constuction projects. Post Offices are on line next.
    Look at it this way, M_R. Very little has come about quickly. Slavery was
    introduced into the colonies in 1619, and we know when it ended.
    The Temperance Movement took years to get the votes to creat Prohibition.
    Women’s Suffrage even took longer. There has been no quick fixes. However, today we need to collapse time frames. The conditions are there; it just needs to be exploited as in “Remember the Maine”…..

    To illustrate, yesterday in our Jackson paper there was a great political editorial cartoon. I will try to describe: A fat robber baron type of
    character is the centerpiece. Top hat, late 19th clothing, very obese
    with his clothingspreading apartment because of his largess, big cigar,
    a watch fob across his belly, and a Wall St. button on one lapel. In one
    hand, the left, is an Obama puppet figure, in the right hand is an
    elephant puppet, and he is saying the following out of the other side of
    his mouth: I CONSIDER MYSELF A CENTRIST…
    jACKSON,mS editorial page cartoon, yeah, the Deep South. People are
    getting it, M_R

    Let me close, by saying, that marches for justice are traditional in
    American History. This has more of a chance than say stalling our cars
    in interesections. M_R, you and family will go to D.C. to see, at least at
    this minute, a loser sworn into office, but you can’t go to change the system?

  11. Which paper UTF, I wanted to see if I could find the cartoon online.

    I am having a hard time understanding how the people could have allowed the situation to have deteriorated as badly as it has in the US.

    Short of ignorance.

  12. M_R, the struggle D.C. is having now over the debt limit is not new. It has been with us since the 1760s at least. It continuted thru the War of Independence and in the first government of the United States, the Articles of Confederation. Under the Artilces the newly United States consisted of
    virtually self-autonomous nations, maybe something like the city-states of
    ancient Greece. By 1787 it was becoming obvious what was won on the
    battlefield was about to be lost in “peace”. There was no national identity.

    However, there were three problems in that crisis: how to account for the
    slave population, the large area states vs. the small states, and a strong
    Federal Government vs. weak central government. Of these three issues, the most crucial, it seems to me, was creating a stronger Federal Government.
    It order to get a stronger nation, the Framers made serious compromises.
    Maybe it is the kick the can down the road phenom that we hear about hourly today. So, later gnerations paid for these three compromises. It led to an
    brutal exploitation of a race, a bitter Civil War, and continued strife of a strong
    central government.
    It appears that the GOP desire to go back to the Articles of Confederation
    Perhaps, the fatal flaw in the Constitution is the Great Compromise for the
    creation of a stronger government. It would be as if the Civil War was never
    fought. In essence, the “STATE RIGHTS’
    people win. The small, weak federal government clique has won the national
    debt limit argument. Obama will have to capitulate on his promise to veto his
    argument to have a debt limit bill extended to 2013. Indeed, he will be luck
    to even get 6 months. He will sign,it appears, a GOP bill that will not have any
    tax revenue and only cuts. Even Reid’s Plan calls for only program cuts and
    no revenue. I remember Reid saying a few months ago that he would not
    pass any bill with cuts in Social Security, and here he is.
    Yet, Obama has one card he can still play. He has said he would risk his re-
    election and veto any bill that came to him that cut social programs. We can
    hope that was the line in the sand, but given his capitualtions at every turn, I
    don’t hold out much hope.

  13. M_R wrote ” the economic trap that The People have fallen into is so subtle tht they don’t realize it.” I don’t think that is a correct statement. I think people
    do realize the hit that they have taken. The problem is that they don’t how to
    bring change, except by the ballot process. Americans are a peace loving
    people and to demonstrate is against their nature. The demonstrations that brought the Civil Rights and Voting Rights law under LBJ were largely the result of Black demonstrators. The masses watched in the comfort and safety of their homes; the Whites were not in the streets. King’s march on D.C.
    was mainly Black. In recent times, the only real demonstrations that involved
    the White population would be the unionization strikes of the 1930s. And,
    why did Whites take to the streets and the resulting bloodshed? They were at the end of their rope; they were going broke and their families were ill clothed,
    ill housed, and ill fed. And, they had leaders in the ’30s that could rally the
    Whites to the streets. So, I think that the conditions are here and obvious, just look at the polls, my friend. It needs a leader(s). Another way to look at
    it is what happened to the Capital switchboards when the President asked
    Americans to call in. They were swamped. Just suppose if the President would
    say I need you in D.C. I think that we are at the point of “ASK, AND THEY
    WILL COME!” But, it has to be the right issue. The President needs to have
    a precise plan in mind for the people. A lobby free program. Something
    like, it seems to me, a massive infrastructure program with energy self
    sufficiency and/or a total reform of the tax structure, something like a
    progressive flat tax and heavy at the upper end. We need to call out the reactionaries in control of our employment and tax system. Maybe next
    May, like Constitution Day would be an ideal time?

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