Corporate Cheerleaders

Several headlines caught my attention in the past few days, each detailing corporate greed at the expense of the workers.

Employers Spend on Equipment Rather Than Hiring

Why Companies Are Buying Equipment, Not Hiring People

Labor vs. capital spending

The hiring stall

The ‘trend’ is clear- the corporate bottom line is more important than the American worker. Check out this graphic:

New York Times 2011/06/10/man-vs-machine

‎What is even more pathetic is the fact that there is a large percent of the U.S. population rooting for the corporate world at the expense of the American workers. In fact, the Republican Party is the major cheerleader for the corporate world. To Hell with the workers.

The right-wing dittoheads fall in line as well, castigating the workers for wanting a piece of the pie. The entire scenario defies a coherent explanation. Why, for example, would Joe Schmoe rail against his neighbor in favor of the corporate CEO’s?  Can anybody explain that to me?

What’s happening to this nation of ours when the worker becomes the bad-guy? When did our attitude towards the worker take such a nasty downward turn?

Yet, day after day the propaganda machines pump out their anti-worker, anti-union messages on the radio and TV waves to their sheepish listeners who then spread the blather to their associates. Corporate America is sitting on trillions of dollars of capital waiting for the right-wing marinate to soften up the labor market even more.  Meanwhile their GOP cheerleaders in Congress demand even more tax cuts and more loosening of regulations for the corporate giants. At the next breath, these hypocrites ask where the jobs are!

Do The People know about this scam? Do they realize that without the backbone of a productive labor-force this nation will continue its downward slide into irrelevance? Do they know that the Republican Party is cheering not for labor but for the CEO’s? Do they know that the right-wing media is is essentially a propaganda-dissemination unit of the corporations?

Do The People really believe that if the corporate world is given even more goodies and incentives that more jobs will be created? Are Americans really that gullible?

I’m afraid that the answer is yes, they are. I see no movement to protect workers here in America. Union-busting is now nearly complete. Workers are now malleable putty in the hands of the corporations. When will we wake up? Perhaps never. We are moving backwards in history, back towards the sweat shops and 60-hour work weeks.

Here’s the greatest irony of all.  It is so pitiful that I can hardly wrap words around it. Each of the 7 GOP hopefuls on CNN last Monday promised to put a knife into the heart of ‘Obamacare.’ Each was cheered by the New Hampshire audience and, I would imagine, by the right-wing audience watching their performance on TV. Question- What is the #1 impediment to hiring that is cited by most in the business community? It isn’t the wage. It isn’t the hours.  It MEDICAL INSURANCE. Yet, 7 of the 7 Republican presidential candidates pledged to eliminate the Health Care Act of 2009, an act that would lighten the burden of the businessman in having to provide medical insurance for his employees.

The irony is pathetic. The ignorance stunning.


62 thoughts on “Corporate Cheerleaders

  1. There is no reason to believe the lie by the right that strong unions and good union benefits from collective bargaining hurt business.

    All of the other successful industrial nations, except China which is a dictatorship, have strong unions and better labor protections and higher wages than we do, and better health care.

    1. How about the unions pricing themselves out of an ever growing competitive market Dog?
      It’s no lie, it’s just plain reality and, you’re welcome to ignore it if you want to.

      As for all those “other nations” with better everything, are you speaking of Greece, Italy, Spain, France or, other places within the eurozone?
      Those “better wages” are taxed at upwards of 60% in addition to a 19% sales tax.
      Add that to almost $6 per gallon in unleaded fuel taxes.

      Healthcare? Better? I’ve lived in Germany and had to go to the hospital there and I’ll say you’re nuts if you believe that the care OR, the cost is better. My kid was born in a German hospital and, it was a craphole.
      Last summer, I visited a friend who was stuck in the Frankfurt hospital and, it was nothing short of being 1 rung above the 3rd world in equipment and sanitary conditions.
      Any American hospital that looked like that would be shut down.

      So, where do you draw your vast knowledge of other countries working conditions and “better” healthcare system?
      Just curious.

      1. So, where are the jobs seppo? The official US unemployment rate is 9%, which as I point out is probably a gross underestimation of what it really is.

        Taxes have been cut and business deregulated for the past 30 years, but that rate has gone up and stayed up.

        Even you are marginally employed and required to work 62 hours a week to make ends meet. This type of work week consistently has been shown to be detrimental over the long run. Despite your protestations, you say that you live a frugal lifestyle on your earnings from working slave labor hours.

        Also, you say something about long holidays in the good weather, but what about the possibility that you might not have a job waiting for you.

        I am assuming that you are not union as well.

        So, in the long run, who has priced themselves out of work?

        1. The unemployment rate hovered between 4 and 5 % during the Bush years…and for some reason shot up to 9.5% – 10% ever since Obama took office.

          Spacey, you’re obviously too stupid to grasp what I’ve explained to you over and over again about my employment.
          If you need it explained again, go back to the other postings where you shot your mouth off and reread the explainations until you do get it …if possible.

          As for pricing myself out of work, I’m not the least bit concerned since the contract I’ve negotiated is very competitive and, I have a vast choice of other locations available if need be.
          So, I can work like “a slave” all I want to through the shitty weather here in Ohio and do whatever the hell I choose all summer long every year.
          If thats “slavery” in your eyes…so be it.
          Personally, I see a sucker who is chained to a desk 5 days a week and 50 weeks a year as the real slave.

          When was the last time you left the UK and spent 3 weeks on the continent or, the USA?

          I’m on mainland Europe 4 weeks of the year and, slacking off in the USA doing whatever I want to for 2 more months over the summer…and you call me the “slave”?
          HA! Sucker!

          1. Hey, seppo, I work 10-20 hours a week and probably earn more than you do. With those hours I make well over the average US median income of $50,233.00.

            Who you calling a chump.

            Any person who works 62 hours whether they say they want to or not is missing a few cards from their deck.

      2. BTW, seppo, you say:
        My kid was born in a German hospital

        Who paid for that? Did you leech off the German system?

        How much do you leech off the US system you claim to dislike?

        1. I pay for health insurance you dillhole! Instead of demanding that some other guy who works for a living pay for my healthcare, I pay for my own!
          What a concept eh?

          1. Of course, you didn’t answer who paid for the German hospital. Somehow, I think you bummed off their system.

            Who paid for your kids’ schooling? Did they go to private or public schools?

      3. I just participated in a webinar put on by an international law firm for companies that were about to open new businesses in Germany, so I’ve had an in-depth intro to how the unions work in terms of their relationship to business. The presenters included two top German employment law lawyers.

        You are hardly the only person to have visited other countries Sepp, or to have regular correspondence with them about the details of their lives.

        I would suggest you look Sepp at the rankings of other countries health care systems over a range of objective criteria; the U.S. doesn’t fare to well, and we have far too many people who have NO health care to whom even the situation you describe would be an improvement. Further, depending on when you were there, Germany had a heckuva challenge bringing east Germany up to speed with former west Germany — did you allow for that in your description of your experience?

        1. Ohhhh you participated in a webinar?
          Well now… THAT most certainly just kicks the pants off of my LIVING THERE!
          I guess with all your webinar experience you’ve gained vast firsthand knowledge as to how much “better” that health system is right?

          I lived there for only a decade and return twice a year, had a child born there, been treated there myself, have friends and family who have been through the system…so no, there is noooo way that my eyewitness experiences with the German health system could possibly trump your webinar and laci’s little internet list…especially when it lists the UK at #18 while they step over a dead overdose victim who was dead for 9 hours in the waiting room and, have waiting lists for treatment that are usually longer than untreated patients can survive without treatment!

          What I witnessed in those German hospitals, NO American would ever stand for at a hospital im the USA.
          And don’t even get me started on German denistry because it’s nothing short of a joke either.
          And if Spacey wants to chime in about the UK’s dental system…well, I’ve seen British teeth and if they’re not fake or, cosmeticly fixed, they look like a mouthfull of fucking dominoes.

          YOUR “solid” oppinion of the German health system comes from a webinar.

          Spacey’s oppinion of the American system comes from the WHO’s freebie ranking (as opposed to a QUALITY ranking)

          And my oppinions stem from the direct experience of BOTH systems.

          So before you shoot your mouth off about what system is better or, even works, go experience it.

          1. Seppo, there are other rankings which still place the US at the bottom of the pile:

            And while evidence base is incomplete and suffers from other limitations, it does not provide support for the oft-repeated claim that the “U.S. health care is the best in the world.” In fact, there is no hard evidence that identifies particular areas in which U.S. health care quality is truly exceptional.

            Note The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation runs hospitals in New Jersey.

          2. Yes, Sepp, I participated in a webinar, one in which btw I was a paid participant. So prior to the webinar I did my homework on the labor issues in Germany and why it is that Germany is kicking our butts in manufacturing and a number of other areas, and why their economy has fared better than ours has.

            I know that there are parts of the country where the services are on the low end, just as we have some individually very poor hospitals in the United States.

            I am not willing to take your individual, essentially anectdotal experience, as representative of the entire range of hospitals nationwide. The only valid measurement for an entire nation’s health care standards is to have a systematic survey of that health care industry for comparison – which YOU Sepp cannot provide – for fair comparison. I’ve heard scathing indictments that are comparable to what you describe for Germany of hospitals here in the U.S.; the expose on conditions in our military hospitals a few years ago comes to mind as the first example off the top of my head, which does not negate that some of our military medical care is state of the art:

            Seriously – was the care and facility your friend received worse than that?

            What is clear to me is that while you may feel your friend in the hospital had poor care, it is still better than NO care available to millions of Americans.

  2. BTW, The World Health Organization’s ranking of the world’s health systems.

    Note: Germany comes in at 25 and the US at 37.

    1 France
    2 Italy
    3 San Marino
    4 Andorra
    5 Malta
    6 Singapore
    7 Spain
    8 Oman
    9 Austria
    10 Japan
    11 Norway
    12 Portugal
    13 Monaco
    14 Greece
    15 Iceland
    16 Luxembourg
    17 Netherlands
    18 United Kingdom
    19 Ireland
    20 Switzerland
    21 Belgium
    22 Colombia
    23 Sweden
    24 Cyprus
    25 Germany
    26 Saudi Arabia
    27 United Arab Emirates
    28 Israel
    29 Morocco
    30 Canada
    31 Finland
    32 Australia
    33 Chile
    34 Denmark
    35 Dominica
    36 Costa Rica
    37 United States of America

    38 Slovenia
    39 Cuba
    40 Brunei
    41 New Zealand
    42 Bahrain
    43 Croatia
    44 Qatar
    45 Kuwait
    46 Barbados
    47 Thailand
    48 Czech Republic
    49 Malaysia
    50 Poland
    51 Dominican Republic
    52 Tunisia
    53 Jamaica
    54 Venezuela
    55 Albania
    56 Seychelles
    57 Paraguay
    58 South Korea
    59 Senegal
    60 Philippines
    61 Mexico
    62 Slovakia
    63 Egypt
    64 Kazakhstan
    65 Uruguay
    66 Hungary
    67 Trinidad and Tobago
    68 Saint Lucia
    69 Belize
    70 Turkey
    71 Nicaragua
    72 Belarus
    73 Lithuania
    74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
    75 Argentina
    76 Sri Lanka
    77 Estonia
    78 Guatemala
    79 Ukraine
    80 Solomon Islands
    81 Algeria
    82 Palau
    83 Jordan
    84 Mauritius
    85 Grenada
    86 Antigua and Barbuda
    87 Libya
    88 Bangladesh
    89 Macedonia
    90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
    91 Lebanon
    92 Indonesia
    93 Iran
    94 Bahamas
    95 Panama
    96 Fiji
    97 Benin
    98 Nauru
    99 Romania
    100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
    101 Moldova
    102 Bulgaria
    103 Iraq
    104 Armenia
    105 Latvia
    106 Yugoslavia
    107 Cook Islands

    1. I’ve got a question. In the rankings, is more weight put on quality of care or availability of care?

      I’ve talked to people from other countries who always say for really important medical care, they go to the U.S. I noticed at The Cleveland Clinic there are many people from the Middle East.

      On the other hand, I personally know many people who really need medical care, but don’t get it because of lack of coverage.

      1. The following criteria were used to determine healthcare systems that ranked highest in “performance”: effectiveness, fairness, and responsiveness.

        Effectiveness was measured in respect to the rate of reduction of a nation’s mortality and morbidity rates

        Fairness refers to the equality of access to health care resources.

        “Responsiveness,” or a health care system’s ability to protect a person’s dignity, providing prompt care and a choice of provider. This indicator deals most directly with customer satisfaction, and it seems safe to assume that the best indication of how well patients are treated by the system would come from patients.

        Even if you discount the WHO’s survey, there are other surveys, such as the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation one that I mention which point out that the US does not provide value for the money spent.

  3. Thank you Laci for posting what I was referring to in my comment.

    Take a good long look Sepp at where we are in that list, and ALL those many countries ahead of us.

    Now try chanting that nonsense “we’re number 1” over and over, without choking on it – because god forbid you need medical care HERE in the U.S.

    I find the many instances of our decline to be quite contrary to the right wing assertion of American exceptionalism. Our country had some extraordinary beginnings, but so did a number of other countries. Our country has achieved some extraordinary things at different periods of time, but…..not so much lately.

    We are, as a nation, not inherently better than other nations. The policies of the right will sink us lower in every possible metric of success.

  4. Hello Laci and Dog Gone,
    I am working at a local hospital which typically provided better than average “Medical Benefits.”

    Just last week, those working at the hospital had their medical insurance changed to another insurance company and premiums jump by 30% while the coverage dropped by 25%.

    So to summarize, in an industry that historically provided better medical insurance as part of the workers compensation’s wage package, in essence just took a pay cut without any input from the workers.

    But of course the annual bonuses of the upper management just increased because they have reduced operating costs in the hospital. Yes it looks good on accounting paper to them.

    1. Another question (regarding hospitals). Do you think employee medical coverage is better or worse at NOT-FOR-PROFIT hospitals? I believe the three big hospitals in Toledo, UT/MCO, Toledo and St. V.s, are all not-for-profit.

  5. EoK, you pretty much have it there. Priviatisation is tauted as being the panacea to the US’s problems (nevermind that similar actions caused the crash of 1837). The major reason that the private sector wants privatisation is that they are state monopolies. “Most assets are monopolistic in nature and have limited competitors, creating the opportunity for stable, long-term investment returns. Investment choices include economic assets and social assets.” Quadrant notes that the market size is between $12-20 trillion, roughly the size of the American mortgage market. “Given the market and potential return opportunities, institutional investors should consider infrastructure a strategic investment allocation.”

    In fact, the real allure of privatization is that it offers what looks like a free lunch. The public receives revenue, but privatization keeps the costs hidden by deferring them to the future. Political actors get to close deficits without raising taxes on wealthy interests. And the political muscle is provided by the people who ultimately benefit from the deal.

    The granddaddies of privatization were Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the housing giants whose public role was supporting the secondary mortgage markets. These companies were “private” in the sense that they operated without public accountability. But eventually, their losses ended up on the public’s balance sheet. Most privatization deals of core public assets have the same essential structure as Fannie and Freddie.

    As with mortgage securitizations, the conflicts of interest are intense. Pennsylvania nearly privatized its turnpike, with Morgan Stanley on multiple sides of the deal as both an advisor to the state and a potential bidder. As you’ll see, these deals are often profitable because they constrain the public’s ability to govern, not because they are creating value. For instance, private infrastructure company Transurban, now attempting to privatize a section of the Beltway around DC, is ready to walk away if local governments insist on an environmental review of the project. Many of them have clauses enshrining their monopolistic positions, preventing states and localities from changing zoning, parking, or transportation options.

    Privatization takes inherently governmental functions, everything from national defense to mass transit and roads, and turns them over to the control of private actors, whose goal is to extract maximum revenue while costing as little as possible. Ultimately, the public ends up paying more for poorer services.

  6. “Privatization takes inherently governmental functions, everything from national defense to mass transit and roads, and turns them over to the control of private actors, whose goal is to extract maximum revenue while costing as little as possible. Ultimately, the public ends up paying more for poorer services.”

    Really? Then, feel free to list everything that the government does cheaper and with better quality than the private sector!

    You see Spacey, ANYTHING the government does do is always at an inflated price and, isn’t required to bid for the most work at the best quality and the lowest price.

    …but you knew that being a genius and all!

  7. I’ll go out on a limb here muddy and do something off the cuff. My boat club is having a party and I’m extending you an invite if you want it to pop on down, bring the wife and enjoy a few drinks on me if you want to.
    No politics, no BS. I’ll even repay the $5 entry for you.

    The club is on Broadway right down the hill from the zoo parking lot at Walbridge park and my boat is moored at dock 16 on the seawall, the blue and tan 26′ chriscraft.
    If you can make it down, I’d enjoy toasting our decade long friendly- adversary relationship.
    If you’d prefer to keep things as they are, thats understoood too.

    1. Hey Muddy – I hope you at least consider taking Sepp up on his offer.

      Although I respect that this is fathers day, and also graduation season and there are also lots of weddings this time of year, so you may very well have prior plans. If you can’t do it this weekend, maybe Sepp will give you a raincheck.

      1. Muddy is welcome to a raincheck, I’ve invited him and microdot out for a few beers on occasion before…even offered to meet up with microdot in France while I was in country or, he was in Detroit.

        I don’t see any reason why a bunch of grouchy old men who slap each other around bickering politics can’t shake hands, have a beer and admire the weather….before slapping each other around again the next day over politics.

    2. That doesn’t sound like a very frugal lifestyle to me, seppo.

      BTW,who negotiated your contract with your employer, was it a Union?

      Or do you really have all this stuff you claim to have.

      1. I bought an old boat and fixed it up to have a good time and, take my kids for nice rides up and down the river…so what?
        I certainly could have bought something grander in scale but, I bought what was practical and affordable to serve a purpose.
        “Frugal” does not mean that I miserly stow money under a matress while wearing rags.

        Who negotiated my contract? I did!

        Do I have all this stuff I claim to have?

        Do you think I’d invite muddy down to my boat if I had anything to hide?
        Do you really think that if I was bullshitting you, muddy would keep my secret from you?

        Sorry Spacey, if I was living in fear that you would find out that what I’ve told you was bullshit, the LAST thing I’d do is invite the blog owner to visit me in person.

        You see, even though muddy and I disagree 90% of the time, I don’t honestly believe that muddy is a bad person by a long shot.
        I don’t have to agree with a person 100% of the time as a requirement to liking them.

  8. OK seppo, the US postal service provides better service than do the private carriers for less as well. That is they serve the WHOLE US whereas the private courriers are limited in their service area and level of services provided to those areas.

    That was one, I’d toss in the military contractors such as CACI, XE, etc. for providing worse service at inflated cost. Are you going to say that private contractors provide better service than the US military?

    You want to have all roads become toll roads, seppo? Really smart one, dude.

        1. DHL wasn’t competitive Laci and they lost to better service, better prices and, reliability…and as I mentioned before, the USPS always operates at a huge loss and isn’t as reliable.
          Proven…in the marketplace.

  9. Some more for you, seppo:

    – Pandemic disease fighting. Quick, name any for-profit companies analyzing dead birds looking for West Nile virus and warning communities when it’s detected in the vicinity! Oh, that’s right, there aren’t any. Gee, and it’s an essential service, too: Why doesn’t the magical free market just magically provide it? Oh, that’s right, it’s tough to make a profit doing it.

    – Old-age insurance and pension plans. Social Security has less than 1% overhead costs whereas the private US life-insurance plans (as well as privatized plans in places like the UK and Chile) have around 12% to 14% overhead costs.

    How disgusting are the privatizers’ lies WRT Social Security? One moment they’re arguing that it’s going to run out of dough in the 2040s — a scenario that only happens if the country has sluggish Depression-era growth levels from now until the 2040s – and the next they’re touting the alleged high rates of return on private (privatized) accounts, rates which would only be possible if the economy grew at peak-of-the-Clinton-boom levels forever. In short, they’re predicting both Permanent Recession AND Permanent Boom at the same time.

    – Public utilities. Again, the government-run versions run better, cheaper and with less overhead costs than the privatized ones (remember Enron, anyone?).

    – Intelligence operations. The CIA is belatedly finding out that privatizing their intel operations is costing more and yielding less than was the case before privatization.

    1. Laughing…I asked YOU the question Spacey…and, sorry, it’s been privateers who have been developing everything from the cheaper flu vacines to cures for limp dicks in every instance!

      Government run utilities? In the USA it’s the water company who has managed to not only raise it’s rates regularly but, also attain a tax on drainage too!

      1. And I answered you, which you are too out of it to comprehend.

        Sorry, but the CDC and Public health services develop the flu vaccine. I think you will find that there is a fair amount of government involvement in the development of pharmaceuticals. But big pharma doesn’t come up with new drugs out of the goodness of their hearts, but looks for where they can make a buck.

        Viagra was a freak discovery based upon side effects. t was initially studied for use in hypertension (high blood pressure) and angina pectoris (a symptom of ischaemic heart disease). The first clinical trials were conducted in Morriston Hospital in Swansea. Phase I clinical trials under the direction of Ian Osterloh suggested that the drug had little effect on angina, but that it could induce marked penile erections. Likewise, the same applied to minoxidil (aka rogaine).

        Not that big pharma was trying to “solve” these problems. They saw where they could turn a quick buck.

        Anyway, I am sure that your years of experience in the pharmaceutical industry make you an expert on this topic.

        Why might there be a tax on drainage seppo? Or is that beyond your limited scope of intelligence.

        Do you really think it would cost less if private industry got their hands on the water company?

        1. Well thats awfully funny you clown since last years flu vaccine was in short supply because the government didn’t allow for a profit on flu vaccine…and since nobody was making it in order to break even, there was a shortage!

          Only a dumbass like you can pretend that the government produces anything!
          Hello? Spacey?
          Who do you think is producing those vaccines? The government?

          1. Sepp, what is your background in the pharmaceutical industry?

            I worked in the legal department of on the the pharmaceutical companies. Additionally, My spouse has worked in the pharmaceutical industry for over 30 years. Likewise, I came from a family of physicians. Kinda gives me some knowledge of the industry.

            While the government may not produce those vaccines, they provide significant research and development toward their manufacture. For example, The Influenza Genome Sequencing Project (IGSP) is an American-based genome project aimed at improving the availability of genomic sequence data from influenza viruses and related information. The project is funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a division of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and has been operating out of the NIAID Microbial Sequencing Center at The Institute for Genomic Research (TIGR).

            Of course, the pharmceutical industry in its beneficence has made sure that the necessary anti-retrovirals needed for HIV-AIDS prevention are provided free of charge to third world nations.

    2. I think the most obvious one that affects everyone is Social Security. Prior to 1935 old age pension just didn’t exist and most senior citizens lived in absolute poverty. It still isn’t perfect, but we’ve come a whole long way. I’m afraid to even imagine what would happen is it was “privatized”.

      1. No Jeff, most seniors lived with their children or, at least one of them.
        Do some research and look at the available census information.
        The elderly in most cases, used to live with one of their children who took care of them!

      2. Well said Jeff; and Social Security wouldn’t have any problems if largely Republican congresses hadn’t raided the money paid in from payroll taxes that sadly ended up in the general fund, in order to pay for those damned unfunded mandates and the Bush vanity war in Iraq. It should, if it were managed fairly by having those monies generated for social security paid into a segregated account that Congress couldn’t raid like a toddler’s piggy bank, show a sizeable surplus.

        Social security is an excellent example of well run and successful government service.

        You have only to look at the disasterous outcome of contracting out necessary military services to see how bad privatization is. There is NO instance where privatization has resulted in either substantial savings OR in improvement. ZERO. It results in bad service, higher cost, frequently far far less accountability.

        But despite the failures, the right stupidly repeats the mantra, ignoring facts.

      3. Once again,sepp demonstrates that he went to the Sarah Palin school of history. The Social Security program began as a measure to implement “social insurance” during the Great Depression of the 1930s, when poverty rates among senior citizens exceeded 50%.

      4. In the early 1960s, seniors were often forced into poverty while trying to pay for their health care. Since 1965, when Medicare and Medicaid were created, poverty among seniors has dropped by two-thirds.

      5. It’s official – This “Sepp” person is either a moron or a liar or both.

        A very little web search shows that Lucas County had a poorhouse from the late 1800’s until the middle of the last century. Sometime in the 1930’s political correctness changed the name to the Lucas County Home. Those of us old enough will remember them being referred to as “The Old Folks Home”.

        F.Y.I.: The Lucas County Home was located near the corner of Arlington and Detroit, across the street from the mental hospital (which is vacant but still standing). The Wood County Home was located near the intersection of U.S 6 and I-75. You can see it from both highways. It now houses the Wood County Historical Society.

        1. I said that MOST families had their parents living with the grown children Jeff…according to the census information (get off your ass and research them) from the late 1800’s up into the 1930’s (the latest released census infor available for viewing) And, from growing up seeing my great grandparents who later on lived with my grandparents.

          Yes, there was an old folks home across from the nuthouse on Detroit ave…and, guesss who ran it? Catholic nuns.
          Owned by the county but operated by nuns…evil god people!

          And no, not everybody lived with thier kids in later life because not everybody had kids to live with.

  10. And I answered you, fuckwit.

    Sorry, but the CDC and Public health services develop the flu vaccine. I think you will find that there is a fair amount of government involvement in the development of pharmaceuticals. But big pharma doesn’t come up with new drugs out of the goodness of their hearts, but looks for where they can make a buck.

    Viagra was a freak discovery based upon side effects. t was initially studied for use in hypertension (high blood pressure) and angina pectoris (a symptom of ischaemic heart disease). The first clinical trials were conducted in Morriston Hospital in Swansea. Phase I clinical trials under the direction of Ian Osterloh suggested that the drug had little effect on angina, but that it could induce marked penile erections. Likewise, the same applied to minoxidil (aka rogaine).

    Not that big pharma was trying to “solve” these problems. They saw where they could turn a quick buck.

    Anyway, I am sure that your years of experience in the pharmaceutical industry make you an expert on this topic.

    Why might there be a tax on drainage seppo? Or is that beyond your limited scope of intelligence.

    Do you really think it would cost less if private industry got their hands on the water company?

  11. LoL…who else are you going to name Spacey? Those GSE’s who inflated the housing market, used laws that required banks to make bad loans, cooked their books to show a profit when there was none and passed the blame when people lost their homes here and crashed the housing maket with “good intent?”

    How about that “war on poverty” that has funded state sanctioned “poverty” with no incentive whatsoever to escape poverty for almost 3 generations since 1965?
    That program has not only destroyed black families in wholsale numbers but has contributed to the number of people dependent on the government as never seen before in history!

    So yes, I will concede that the U.S government’s ONE achievement over the private sector has been the overstepping of charities that helped people to get by in dire situations and overcome poverty to creating a system where poverty has become the norm and, a better option than work.
    Yeah, I’ll give you that one!

    1. No one ever made loans based on law. There was rampant fraud that is the reason for the housing market problem.


      We have had inadequate legislation and regulation of the financial sector; go check out the history of that, beginning with the Pecora Commision:

      We could use another Pecora Commission, on the financial sector meltdown to uncover the rampant fraud and other crimes, and on the housing sector as well. It is tragic there have not been more criminal prosecutions.

      1. Typo – that should have read no one ever made bad loans based on law.

        There were bad loans made based on GREED. Nothing more.

    2. Sepp, your comment on the War on Poverty is a simplistic as most of your comments. The programs initiated under Johnson brought about real results, reducing rates of poverty and improved living standards for America’s poor. Unfortunately, they threatened the status quo which led to their being attacked it created a new institutional base for antipoverty and civil rights action and, in the process, highlighted growing racial and ideological tensions in American politics and society.

      Suprisingly enough, sepp, the War on poverty encompassed such measures as an $11 billion tax cut (Revenue Act of 1964), the Civil Rights Act (1964), the Food Stamp Act (1964), the Elementary and Secondary Education Act (1965), the Higher Education Act (1965), the Social Security amendments creating Medicare/Medicaid (1965), the creation of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (1965), the Voting Rights Act (1965), the Model Cities Act (1966), the Fair Housing Act (1968), several job-training programs, and various Urban Renewal-related projects.

      The War on Poverty was complex in its origins, its implementation, and its
      impact. Its programs and philosophies were born out of the political discomfort caused by the persistence of poverty amid the abundance of post-World War II America, the questions of citizenship raised by the Civil Rights movement, and decades of social scientific thought about poverty and social reform. If anything, its effects were the opposite of what you assert; however, reactionary forces have done their best to dismantle these programmes, or at least render them ineffective.

      To be quite honest, the war on poverty was never given enough of a chance to prove itself either way since the administrations that followed Johnson’s did their best to dismantle them.

      1. “Sepp, your comment on the War on Poverty is a simplistic as most of your comments. The programs initiated under Johnson brought about real results, reducing rates of poverty and improved living standards for America’s poor.”

        Are you nuts? It’s done nothing but perpetuate poverty on an even greater scale than when the program was launched!

        Free money and housing…you don’t even have to try and work…ever!

        The GS program just created a LIFESYLE of laziness because it made it too easy and paid better rewards than actually working for a living.

        Look at the results…great eh?

        1. Seppo,you have moved into checkmate.

          the War on poverty encompassed such measures as an $11 billion tax cut

          Are you saying that tax cuts are bad?

          Furthermore, you beg the question–why aren’t you dolescum?

          First off, you claim that you are the child of a single mother who worked in a minimum wage job (minimum wage being one of those benefits that the evil unions brought about). Chances are that you benefited from the war on poverty. Yet you claim that you are a productive citizen, rather than a leech.

          It seems that a feebleminded soul like you would find it far easier to be dolescum than get a job where you work 62 hours a week. Although your working 62 hours a week is pretty idiotic to me when you could work 40 hours and earn a living wage.

          That is if you could find such a job.

          Given you have zero credibility with me,seppo, chances are you are really dolescum who is being paid minimum wage to astroturf this blog. That’s why you like showing up to try and feel that you have had the last word and shown everyone, including your slaveowners, that you are a productive citizen.

          When, as you properly prove, as a product of the war on poverty, that you are moronic and lazy only worthy of handouts from your betters.

  12. Here is an example of what happens when we privatize services.
    KBR, subsidiary of Haliburton, has made millions war profiteering by defrauding and overbilling the U.S. military.

    And here is how privatizing what the military used to do for itself works:

    It was also KBR if I recall that was responsible for the security lapses which resulted in the horrific gang rape of Jamie Lee Jones:

    Our MN Senator, Al Franken, did a good job on the amendment he drafted and for which he found bi-partisan support, in response to events like this which occurred regularly. Take a look at the scandals, fraud, etc. of numerous other private contractors performing jobs our military used to do, notably security (now, more lack of it).

    1. I have my war stories about CACI, but they were far from efficient. The usual tactic was to hire people with excellent qualifications for jobs that were well below their level of expertise. An underpaid and disgruntled workforce is hardly a productive one.

      But, there are loads of stories about how private industry ruins the services government provide beyond the one Dog Gone provided.

      For example, Sepp’s comment about the post office. Sepp, how much does it cost to send a letter via Fedex?

      Likewise, DHL has not gone out of business, but no longer accepts pickups in the US. They still make deliveries there. Why? because it wasn’t profitable.

    1. “Seppo, government provides services for its citizens with an attitude of providing the services, not of making a profit”

      No shit Sherlock…that explains why the govt is bankrupt, borrowing and printing money and, the debt keeps growing.

      It’s supposed to be operating WITHIN a budget you fool!

      1. Where does it say that it needs to be operating within a budget in th Constitution?

        Of course, you neglect the elephant in the room:


        You never mention raising taxes, seppo.

        If tax and spend is wrong, what is the alternative?

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