Koch Bros. Coming to Ohio

Those infamous, right-wing billionaires who hate labor, unions and anything to the left of Goldwater have their eye [and money] on Ohio.  The Toledo Blade reports this morning:

Papers are expected to be filed today to establish a committee to raise money and strategize over how to sway voters who, according to early polls, say they’re inclined to kill the law before it’s had a chance to influence a single salary, pension, or sick day [S.B. 5] Charles Koch, along with his brother David, founded Americans for Prosperity, which is raising cash for a campaign to promote Senate Bill 5 and is driving for a state amendment opting out of the federal health-care law.
Meanwhile, the Ohio chapter of the Washington-based Americans for Prosperity is raising money to conduct its own door-to-door grass-roots campaign to sell the merits of Senate Bill 5 to voters before the Nov. 8 election.

Door-to-door to sell workers’ rights down the drain. I wonder what the ‘message’ will be as the unsuspecting schlep comes to the door? Hi, I’m here to limit the rights of workers will probably not be the opening line. It will be a subtle, hidden message, written by some ad firm in DC. But, will The People buy into it?  After all, the track record doesn’t favor intelligence at election time.

This scam is an old, tried and tested version of divide and conquer. Pit one group of low-level workers against another with management and the CEO’s as winners. Classic stuff.

The Blade continues,

“This election is a classic campaign over how the issue is framed,” John Green, director of the Ray C. Bliss Institute of Applied Politics, said. “If it’s framed as an attack on collective bargaining and organized labor, voters are likely to strongly favor repeal.

“If it’s framed in terms of reducing the size of government, creating jobs, and making government more efficient, which is what a lot of the proponents argued when the legislation was going through, then voters are likely to support Senate Bill 5,” he said. “There’s going to be a lot of politics between now and the fall over what people think about the bill.”

Indeed. And ideologues like Cal and Sepp will be rooting for the Koch Brothers over their neighbors. Sadly neither Sepp nor Cal will ever be invited to step foot onto the Koch Brothers estate, unless they are wearing a pizza uniform.

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38 thoughts on “Koch Bros. Coming to Ohio

  1. Typical liberal hypocrisy…right from our own union busting blade!

    A flipping joke that the Blade would be against SB5…since it has nothing whatsoever to do with private sector unions…while shitting on their own union and newspaper guild workers for the last 10 years!

    Also funny that the blade “forgot” to report that it’s workers were picketting in front of it’s building last week!
    It seems that the Blade only preaches the leftist “pro union” line whenever it doesent pertain to Block publishing!
    Typical.

    As for SB 5, it still allows unions to bargain for wages, working hours, safe working conditions and provides for the right to negotiate to ensure law enforcement has the proper safety equipment.

    So what “damage” does SB 5 do that the unions hate?

    Decisions to lay off or, fire isn’t seniority based…which means that shitbags hiding within the State job pool can be canned for being a shitbag employee.

    State employees will have to pay a co-pay toward their own insurance…just like most everyone else does.

    Performance based raises in salary…the last thing a shitbag wants to see is merit based pay increases!

    What about those union dues? SB 5 prohibits payroll deductions for political contributions without the written permission of the employee…ohhh nooo! Now employees who don’t like candidate “x” won’t be forced to give him money!

    Employees who CHOOSE NOT to join a union will no longer be forced to nor, will they be forced to pay the dues without being a member…wonder who is really whining about that…the employee or, the union?

    And, state employee contracts that fail the bargaining process can be placed on the ballot for the residents (those folks who are going to be paying for it) to decide.

    Union dues will also no longer be an automatic payroll deduction and the responsibility of the union member to pay his own dues on time and the correct amount!
    How many members might “forget” to pay? The union certainly doesent seem to trust it’s own members to pay their dues!

    So since the state employees can still bargain for wages, vacations. hours and, safety issues…which are the roots of every collective bargaining process and the most important aspects…it’s laughable that you’ll swallow the union’s line that this bill is somehow screwing the workers.
    It’s the state unions who are shaking in their boots in fear that they’ll lose millions in dues and political power if state employees are able to choose to join or, not and still have bargaining ability.
    Why would anyone cough up an average of $720 per year for a union they’re not forced to join anymore?
    Multiply that by about 60,000 state employees and you might be able to grasp why the state unions are shitting frisbees and outright lying in order to save themselves.
    And the party democrats are shitting because they’re seeing union members who might NOT want to support them keeping their own money instead of having no say at all!

  2. Just some facts I thought I’d throw out; make your own judgement.

    There are some public sector employees in Toledo whose union contract dictates that the City contribute $20.00 to their retirement fund for every $100 they make. Federal law covering private sector empoyee dictate that the employer pay only $6.20 for every $100 the private sector employee makes.

    Retired employees covered by public sector retirement plans average $4,000 per month. Retired emloyees covered by Social Security average $1,000 per month.

    1. Wait a minute Jeff…are you trying to say that people who work for the public sector get those perks on the public’s dime while the actual public get less?
      OMG! We have to protect those elites who manage to obtain public sector employment!
      Forcing them down to the dreary levels of the average working taxpayer…who is paying the tab…is just plain crazy right wing union busting talk!
      Our interstate rest area restroom janitors deserve $16 bucks an hour, 100% paid medical benefits, 100% paid retirements and, the “right” to NEVER be fired if they’re NOT doing their job and, getting raises for not doing it!
      They deserve better than the people who pay them!

  3. Maybe the Koch’s are just going to submit a bid to your corrupt governor to simply buy the state, lock stock and barrel.

    Because clearly they think they can.

    While Sepp is too intellectually dishonest to rise to the very fair challenge I made to him some time back.

    Sepp, I recently participated in a webinar hosted by a multinational law firm for businesses that are looking to open a branch office or new business in Germany. It addresses specifically labor laws, contracts, legal requirements – and unions of all kinds and sizes.

    Germany routinely leads both the U.S. and China in exports and manufacturing, despite they are far smaller in every other applicable metric; and Germany has had a far quicker recovery economically.

    And yet, Germany has far more robust and aggressive unions, and far far stronger PROTECTIONS of unions, and far better paying jobs for union members than we do.

    I’m not persuaded that your arguments are valid or that unions harm our economy rather than help it. I suggest that you take a larger look at the role of unions, which have historically been strongest during our nationally strongest economic growth periods.

    Stronger unions have driven our economic growth, not stronger wealth among the wealthiest. You are advocating a lunatic position.

    Then I suggest you look at the greed and avarice and dishonesty of upper management, how little giving them more money either directly or through tax cuts has resulted in the promised gains:

    “The Growth of Executive Pay”, by Lucian Bebchuk, Harvard Law School and Nber Yaniv Grinstein, Cornell University, Johnson School of Management:”This paper examine both empirically and theoretically the growth of US executive pay during the period 1993-2003. During this period, pay has grown much beyond the increase that could be explained by changes in firm size, performance, and industry classification. Had the relationship of compensation to size, performance and industry classification remained the same in 2003 as it was in 1993, mean compensation in 2003 would have been only about half of its actual size.”
    and
    “According to the Federal Reserve, U.S. corporations held a record $1.93 trillion in cash on their balance sheets in 2010. But they are not investing to expand their companies, grow the real economy or create good middle-class jobs. Corporate CEOs are literally hoarding their company’s cash—except when it comes to their own paychecks. (my emphasis added – DG)
    In 2010, Standard & Poor’s 500 Index company CEOs received, on average, $11.4 million in total compensation— a 23 percent increase in one year.[1] Based on 299 companies’ most recent pay data for 2010, their combined total CEO pay of $3.4 billion could support 102,325 median workers’ jobs.[2]
    1 AFL-CIO analysis of 299 companies in the S&P 500 Index. CEO pay data provided by Salary.com.
    2 U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, May 2009 Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates, national cross-industry estimate of median annual compensation for all occupations.”

    http://penigma.blogspot.com/2011/05/even-their-owners-shareholders-need.html

    Your notions of how things work Sepp are factually flawed, utterly lacking in objective reality, and work against your own interests. You are driven by a badly flawed ideology, not objectivity.

    I suggest you improve your reading list.

      1. Look how badly management did for the American Auto industry. Labor didn’t choose to build the wrong products.

        Look how well the German auto industry has done in contrast, where they have an even stronger union if you believe it is Unions which are the problem

        1. Just do a web search with “europe protests” and tell me how well Germany is doing.

    1. “Germany routinely leads both the U.S. and China in exports and manufacturing, despite they are far smaller in every other applicable metric; and Germany has had a far quicker recovery economically.”

      Yes, and the Germans demand a QUALITY product be produced which is in most every case superior to what is produced in the USA and China!

      Also, if you’re a chronic drunk, absentee, shitbag who churns out low quality…in Germany you will have your ass fired!

      The difference is that the German unions implore their membership to create products of high quality which in turn keeps keeps them employed due to consumer demand.
      If an employee is churning out crap, which could potentially damage the company’s reputation and, hurt sales, they will get rid of the liability.

      Here in the good ol USA, the union protects it’s shitbags while trying to take the company for everything it has to it’s own detriment in some cases.

      The UAW as Cal pointed out is a prime example. Those union workers churned out crappy craftsmanship for years to the point where the auto companies had to appeal to people’s patriotism in order to sell shoddy products to them against their own better judgement.

      German and Japanese cars are both well known to last well up to the 250,000 mile mark on the odometer.
      American cars? No way. At 150,000 miles they’re no longer seen as a turnkey machine you can rely on and in fact, litter used car lots.
      I just traded in my 540i that had 217,000 miles on the clock which still started every day and was reliable.
      I also had to junk my Ford pickup of the same build year that was exposed to the same conditions and was rusted completely through in many places, been through it’s second exhaust system and leaked oil from every seal.
      $2000 dollars for the Bmw and $300 for the scrap Ford.

      Quality Doggone is the bottom line.

      Yes Germany has unions but, the unions in Germany are focused on protecting jobs, wages and, safety of the employees as opposed to sucking their employers into bankrupcy and extorting them for more and more.

      Also, German union employees don’t sabotage their own plant equipment as they do in America!

      1. Which is why sepp lives in the USA rather than Germany. It’s the perfect place for an idiot like him who wants to work 62 hours a week producing crappy product to have a job.

        Unlike Germany.

  4. As usual “conservative” Sepp demonstrates a surprisingly bitter animosity toward the public sector as a whole. Public schools, public libraries, public television and more are subjects of his vitriol. The real issue is that private industry is not accountable to the general public. The goal is privatization of government itself, isolating government from public scrutiny.

    Septic, you want to talk about giving up your rights–well, septic, you are handing them over willingly. Kind of like how you accepted the “freedom” to work 62 hours and forgo an early retirement.

    Septic can get down on the “elites”, yet his is a toady to a far worse elite than the Union.

    But, that’s his “freedom”. His definitions of “freedom” and “rights” are vastly different from mine.

    1. Spaci, private business is entirely accountable to the public! The public is what the private sector relies on in order to succeed!

      The GOVERNMENT sector which you’re so enamored with is accountable to nobody at all.
      Government enterprise didn’t turn a profit?
      Just ask for a bigger budget for the next FY and, stick the taxpayer!

      Public schools accountable? Look at the failure rates!
      Is it because the system has allowed teachers to become lax or, just plain lazy?
      Sure, but you can’t fire the bad ones!

      1. But Seppo, government is a nonprofit business.

        And I take it you are a product of the US public school system.

        That explains quite a bit…

  5. Union Employees=Elites?
    The Koch Brothers are protecting America from the Union Elites?
    How back ass wards can one man be and still expect to be taken seriously?
    Destroying American Workers Rights to protect Corporate interests and want to treat the working class like replicants in a Philip K. Dick Sci Fi novel?
    Every micron you give these guys to destroy Unions and our collective rights is the way America will destroy it’s future. It’s not just Unions, it the environment, it’s the collective quality of life for everyone…let the Koch’s and their ilk have their way and you can kiss your pathetic tattered remnants of your constitution good bye….remember, corporations are people too and now they have more rights than you will ever have…because they can afford them and you can’t!

  6. Well said, both of you, Laci and Microdot.

    You know your history, your economics – and you both have a delightful grasp of both art and literature, LOL!

  7. Jeff, have you seen Detroit lately? Where has it gone?

    Of course, the US Government could have not bailed out the US car industry, but I don’t think that the executive decisions which have led to Detroit’s demise were taken by the UAW. Unlike European Boards of Directors where labour does have a seat at the table, US boards DO NOT.

    They can blame labour, but labour does not make the executive decisions which leads to poor sales.

    And if you want market forces taking over–well,maybe countries that do respect worker’s rights may end up buying defunct US corporations.

  8. Septic demonstrates why I think he is a dumbshit and doesn’t understand English.

    Either that or he is speaking Newspeak.

    Definition of ELITE
    1 a singular or plural in construction : the choice part : cream
    b singular or plural in construction : the best of a class
    c singular or plural in construction : the socially superior part of society
    d : a group of persons who by virtue of position or education exercise much power or influence e : a member of such an elite —usually used in plural

    Using a standard dictionary definition of Elite–The Koch Bros are elite, Unions are NOT.

    Septic, you have zero credibility, yet come around here and provide humourous relief to serious discussion.

    If you don’t like, Elites, septic, you sure as fuck don’t side with the Koch Bros.

    Unless you are a real dumbshit.

  9. Unionized public sector employees have what we’d call “Cadillac” health plans. If you don’t think so, ask around. In the Blade article you reference, it states that public employees pay zero up to ten percent for their health coverage. It goes on the state that employees in the private sector pay an average of twenty three percent for their health coverage. Senate Bill 5 requires that the public sector employees only pay fifteen percent (they’d still be ahead of the private sector).

    And all this talk about greedy corporations, jeez! Who owns a large amount of corporate stock and who insists on maximum profits?

    PUBLIC EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT SYSTEMS & UNION PENSION FUNDS

    1. Having “cadillac health care” makes one partof the Elite–I don’t think so.

      If public employee retirement systems and Union Pension funds have such significant investments in these corporations, why would they allow for this evil,costly, and expensive “cadillac health care”?

      Isn’t that counterproductive to profitability?

      Jeff proves he can talk without thinking.

      1. Let’s not be rude. Reread the comment and you’ll realize I’m talking about two completely different entities.

        The employers paying for the “Cadillac” health plans are governmental units. Unionized public sector employees do not work for privately held corporations. The investors are the entities set up and controlled by the public sector unions.

        The employees working for the corporations are the ones getting crappy health insurance and poverty level retirement benefits.

        1. So, it’s just those evil public sector workers, eh Jeff?

          Who happen to be investing their pension plans. I thought investment was a good thing, Jeff.

          In 2010, median earnings of government workers who were union members were 25 percent higher than earnings of private workers. Government workers have jobs that demand more education, which is not accounted for by raw averages. Acomparison of unadjusted average earnings will show that wages are higher among jobs in state and local government, this result is largely due to the fact that the workers in those sectors have more education.

          Holding education and other characteristics the same, typical state and local workers earn an average of 11 percent less and 12 percent less, respectively, than comparable private-sector workers. The compensation of state and local workers is not excessive and this remains true when including benefits.

          Sorry, Jeffy, but you are confused.

          And duped by propaganda.

          1. I was going to say something snarky to you, but that’s not my style. You’re trying to cloud the issue by using, at best, questionable statistics. Senate Bill 5 does NOT regulate collective bargaining regarding wages. It’s the over-the-top benefits being addressed.

            1. Questionabke statistics? Gimme a break!

              You’re saying that Public Employees are well paid?

              If you are, you are in never never land, dude.

              I do enough business with governement entities to know that the private sector equivalents are much better paid.

              That means I don’t begrudge them “Cadillac Health Care”, fancy benefit packages and the rest.

              The only thing I begrudge them is that they have those jobs and I don’t.

              So, tough shit, pal. Let them have their benefits.

    2. We should all have ‘cadillac’ health care. The GOP in Congress has what you call Cadillac health care. Most of the socialized medicine countries in Europe, in comparison to the U.S. provide cadillac health care, while we have multiple millions of people who have NO health care. Not having health care, not having GOOD health care makes us a 3rd rate country, or at least headed in that direction.

      The problems are not unions, the problems largely originate with management.
      http://penigma.blogspot.com/2011/05/even-their-owners-shareholders-need.html

      “From the introductory paragraph of “The Growth of Executive Pay”, by Lucian Bebchuk, Harvard Law School and Nber Yaniv Grinstein, Cornell University, Johnson School of Management:

      “This paper examine both empirically and theoretically the growth of US executive pay during the period 1993-2003. During this period, pay has grown much beyond the increase that could be explained by changes in firm size, performance, and industry classification. Had the relationship of compensation to size, performance and industry classification remained the same in 2003 as it was in 1993, mean compensation in 2003 would have been only about half of its actual size.”

      and

      Not only has this compensation for top executives NOT reflected merit, as a measure of performance, it coincides with these executives using their corporations to reflect their own political views and preferences. What is not mentioned in this quote is that it is in particular not representative or correlative with the return to investors and shareholders, who have had a decreasing control as effective partial owners over the executives and over that compensation – or the hijacking of these companies for individual exploitation.

      Since 2003 was a while back, lets look at the most recent numbers following the growth of executive compensation:

      According to the Federal Reserve, U.S. corporations held a record $1.93 trillion in cash on their balance sheets in 2010. But they are not investing to expand their companies, grow the real economy or create good middle-class jobs. Corporate CEOs are literally hoarding their company’s cash—except when it comes to their own paychecks. (my emphasis added – DG)
      In 2010, Standard & Poor’s 500 Index company CEOs received, on average, $11.4 million in total compensation— a 23 percent increase in one year. Based on 299 companies’ most recent pay data for 2010, their combined total CEO pay of $3.4 billion could support 102,325 median workers’ jobs.*
      * U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, May 2009 Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates, national cross-industry estimate of median annual compensation for all occupations.

      It’s not union labor that is overpaid. It is not labor that made the bad decisions that tanked the U.S. economy or foreign economies.

      Sepp, I guarantee you it is far harder for someone to be fired in Germany than it is here. And I just got rid of my Ford van, made in the U.S., more than ten years old, and with far more miles on it than the car you mentioned. So please don’t tell me, given the number of recalls lately of Japanese cars for serious defects about foreign superiority.

      If you did a comparison you would find that U.S. has higher productivity from their workers than other countries, and DO produce quality. The problem is that in search of short term gains at any price, on the cheap, the U.S. has made it far too easy and far too profitable to outsource good jobs GOOD JOBS! THAT was from conservatives.

      1. My US Government equivalent earns a fraction of what I do. Likewise, the same applies for the State equivalent.

        Qualified candidates might apply for jobs, only to be lured away by higher private sector salaries.

        the only way for the Public Sector to retain qualified employees is by offering them sweetheart deals.

        As I said, the only thing I begrudge my public sector equivalent is that they have these jobs and I don’t.

        As Dog Gone said–we shold all have these benefits, but the policies you advocate Septic and Jeffy would turn us into slave labour paid worse than public employees with worse benefits.

        I don’t want to work a 62 hour week and not be able to retire.

        Only a fool wants that.

  10. Hello Muddy,
    “But, will The People buy into it?” Oh yea….hook, line, and sinker. You bet!! Can’t wait for that “trickle-down-theory” to take effect. Been waiting for 30 years but it will come any day now so long as I keep voting to destroy my labor working class life.

    Wait until we hear from Joe the Plummer’s words of wisdom from Crap Facts. That will seal the voting deal.

  11. Hello Dog Gone,
    I would also like to add to your comment, “And yet, Germany has far more robust and aggressive unions, and far far stronger PROTECTIONS of unions, and far better paying jobs for union members than we do.

    I’m not persuaded that your arguments are valid or that unions harm our economy rather than help it. I suggest that you take a larger look at the role of unions, which have historically been strongest during our nationally strongest economic growth periods.”

    How about the fact that it was the former Polish President Lech Walesa was an electrician in the Gdansk shipyard, when he started “Solidarnosz”, the UNION which toppled Poland’s Communist Party control. Born out of industrial unrest in Gdansk shipyards, the independent TRADE UNION “Solidarity,” led by Lech Walesa, pushed successfully for changes in censorship, working and living conditions. Food shortages lead to clashes with authorities in 1981. Soviet pressure imposes martial law. Solidarity is banned and Walesa imprisoned. But in the long run, it was the UNION that won out in this stalemate allowing for Democracy to come forth.

    Sepp was able to leave his Communist Yugoslavia because of a “UNION” in a shipyard in Poland that brought down the Communist Party control of Poland and this caused the domino effect through out Eastern Europe purging their Communist Party’s control.

    By the way Lech Walesa became Poland’s President in 1990. DAMN UNION TROUBLE MAKERS JUST RUINED THAT COMMUNIST GOOD THING!!

  12. Thank you all for moving this thread forward in my absence. I’m helping prepare a high school student for final exams and cannot participate too well.

  13. The use of the word elite is fascinating in the context of the American psyche.
    America has led the way in the development of gated communities….There is a segment of the population who believes they have to have security and are willing to live in a strictly regulated community that governs conformity. They want their children to go to schools that are controlled and segregated. They want neat lawns, hire the poor to do the work but treat them like semi humans who have to go through humiliating security checks on entering and leaving the communities.
    They are willing to give up a lot of what I consider reality for the illusion of security. They want, need and will pay to have their lives controlled and regulated by a corporate entity.
    I would go mad. I was in Las Vegas once and I am still traumatized by the experience. There is something so twisted here. Fear is the thread…it can be used to manipulate us and the ghost of our fears are more powerful and frightening than confronting reality/
    That’s marketing in a nutshell.

  14. An interesting addendum to the main story here: the anti-union, pro-corporate group assembled by the Koch Brothers to work against the workers of Ohio has acquired a name. If you already have guessed that the name would not imply taking workers’ rights away or anything draconian like that, you’d be absolutely correct. After all, Americans For Prosperity sounds like one of FDR’s New Deal programs when, in reality, it is all about engorging the corporate bottom line.

    So, would the phrase, Building a Better Ohio, fit that same Koch Bros. pattern? Not only that, but what if in the final “O” of OHIO they inserted an icon in the shape of Ohio? Cute, eh?

    The phrase, ‘Building a Better Ohio’ isn’t a lie, of course. One wouldn’t want to lie in politics, especially on the righteous right. No, not a lie. It’s just the ‘for whom’ that is just a tad fuzzy. Clearly the plan to ‘build a better Ohio’ was not erected to help The People of the state of Ohio, although many Ohioans might just think that. Clever phrasing indeed!

    Thus, the scam moves forward as it always does- hoping to snare lots of unsuspecting people in its trap. Then, of course, there are the cheerleaders [see Sepp above] for the corporate world, mindlessly barkering for the billionaires, hoping that some crumb might be tossed their way from on high. The word ‘pathetic’ comes to mind, but withers in the shadow of this hoax perpetrated on The People of Ohio.

  15. Engineer wrote:
    “Can’t wait for that “trickle-down-theory” to take effect. Been waiting for 30 years but it will come any day now so long as I keep voting to destroy my labor working class life.”

    Oh, the theory of Trickle down -completely debunked, including by it’s strongest proponent during the Reagan era, David Stockman – goes back FAR further than that. It wasn’t even new in the 1890s when it was called ‘horse and sparrow theory’ (and was debunked even THEN as not factual OR functional economic theory).

    I will send Sepp and his co-secular religionists to wikipedia, keeping it simple for those who clearly don’t have a background of any substance in economics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle_down_economics

    (I’m assuming that most of your readers, Muddy, are at the very least familiar with who John Kenneth Galbraith is? OR David Stockton?)

    Critics often point to declining real wages (excluding e.g. health insurance) as a response to trickle-down economics.The economist John Kenneth Galbraith noted that “trickle-down economics” had been tried before in the United States in the 1890s under the name “horse and sparrow theory.” He wrote, “Mr. David Stockman has said that supply-side economics was merely a cover for the trickle-down approach to economic policy—what an older and less elegant generation called the horse-and-sparrow theory: ‘If you feed the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows.'” Galbraith claimed that the horse and sparrow theory was partly to blame for the Panic of 1896.[14] During this period, in his Cross of Gold speech, Democrat William Jennings Bryan said:

    “There are those who believe that, if you will only legislate to make the well-to-do prosperous, their prosperity will leak through on those below. The Democratic idea, however, has been that if you legislate to make the masses prosperous, their prosperity will find its way up through every class which rests up on them.”

      1. Don’t be so intellectually dishonest Sepp.

        The economy does consistently well under Democrats – look at our economy under Clinton. Look at why Clinton beat the senior President Bush when he ran for a second term, who didn’t understand how to improve the economy, despite the advantage to being the incumbent.

        Obama is attempting to reverse the problems brought on by 8 years of Bush bad economic policies; he is doing so while sabotaged by the right every step of the way.

        Sepp you appear to be factually challenged, as in a denier of facts, a writer of revisionist history that never was while being woefully ignorant of even the most basic fundamentals of economics.

        Take a look at this link, and any of the other graphs provided by Ezra Klein.
        http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/04/the_economy_of_the_2010_electi.html

        1. Don’t neglect that Obama is also being hindered by a republican legislature that will vote down anything he proposes.

          Not to mention goes back on its promises.

  16. Sepp, you appear to have the same ignorance as that popsie Palin:
    (from the latest factcheck.org report, busting her for lying about Obama, lying about the debt, and lying and being egregiously wrong about oil, particularly oil production which is supposed to be her specialty).

    “Even if we look at the total outstanding debt, which includes money the government owes to itself, Obama hasn’t accumulated more debt than all other presidents. Total outstanding debt was $10.6 trillion when the president was sworn in; it has increased by $3.7 trillion to $14.3 trillion.”

    “The debt nearly doubled under Bush and nearly tripled under Reagan.”
    I would call to your attention that the economy did poorly under both.

    http://factcheck.org/2011/06/palin-whoppers-on-debt-oil-imports/

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