Rand Paul Shoots Self in Foot

Politicians never know when to shut up! That Democratic Connecticut  senate candidate Richard Blumenthal, for example, is attacking the New York times for outting him on his non-combat military service. Dope Slap!

Then there is Rand Paul, the GOP candidate for the senate in Kentucky who, one day after his massive victory in the GOP primary, became emtangled in his own words- that he is in favor of repealing the Civil Rights Law.  Double Dope Slap!

Paul, in an interview with Rachael Maddow,  said that he agrees with most parts of the Civil Rights Act, except for one (Title II), that made it a crime for private businesses to discriminate against customers on the basis of race. Paul explained that had he been in office during debate of bill, he would have tried to change the legislation.

Title II-

All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.

Foolishly, Rand attempted to ‘defend’ this stupid statement by comparing a black man to a gun.  Maddow asked him, “How about desegregating lunch counters?”  Paul replied, “ Well what it gets into then is if you decide that restaurants are publicly owned and not privately owned, then do you say that you should have the right to bring your gun into a restaurant even though the owner of the restaurant says ‘well no, we don’t want to have guns in here’ the bar says ‘we don’t want to have guns in here because people might drink and start fighting and shoot each-other.’ Does the owner of the restaurant own his restaurant? Or does the government own his restaurant? These are important philosophical debates but not a very practical discussion…”

A gun. A black man.

Are all Tea Party members as stupid as this guy?  Or is it that their racial hatred numbs their cerebellum?

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32 thoughts on “Rand Paul Shoots Self in Foot

  1. Rand Paul never said he was in favor of repealing the civil rights act. The only people raising the civil rights act, already found by the Supreme Court to be Constitutional a generation ago, are those trying to pretend that Constitutional strict construction is ‘extreme’.

  2. No muddy, YOU shot yourself in the foot! As usual, you quote out of context, put out half truths and make your typical sorry-assed attempt at a smear without having the balls to post EXACTLY what the man said.

    What Maddow was attempting to do was trap Paul into saying he didn’t support private property rights via a race issue and the trap was so obvious I was left with the idea that even SHE thought it was pathetic. But, she doesent sign her own paychecks…GE (who has poured millions into all things Obama) does…and since he just grassrooted his way into kicking the “favored” (read easily beaten by the democrat) republican’s ass, her tune has suddenly changed.
    Part 1

    Part 2

    So in lefty world, a PRIVATE…not public…PRIVATE business should have a government mandate that decides it’s clientel? What part of PRIVATE is so hard for liberals to understand?

    If a business owner decides to be an asshole…it’s HIS right and if his business fails because of it…it’s HIS problem!

  3. This teabagger will be a disaster for the poor people of Kentucky, just as he will be for the entire nation. These far-right wackos just do not understand governance, let alone the Constitution that they proclaim themselves in such support of.

  4. These far-right wackos just do not understand governance…

    Well, what they DO understand that they do NOT WANT to govern and would rather delete government, sit back, cross their fingers, and hope that things work out right. And, if it doesn’t, they’ll just skate and disappear [like Bush].

    In fact, Bush is a fine example of that: any idiot can start a war and any dolt can not-govern. He proved that for 8 long, disastrous years!

  5. There’s a big difference between being led like sheep and being so supremely arrogant that one allows oneself to be misled.

    Krikey, another one for the books…our boy says, again, that the market will regulate morality.
    By the way, there was something about Greece and socialism and it’s economic problems…things get so hashed around when I try to read joyboys reinterpretation of reality to fit his preconcieved notions.
    Yes Greece is in deep shit and is going to have to severley cut back on a lot government spending to survive, but, the social programs that joyboy refers to did not cause Greeces dillema.
    But it is so convenient for him to twist reality to make the consequences the reasons…
    Start with the Goldman Sachs/Greek/Vampire Squid connection to connect the dots….
    Reality is complex, but simple minds like simple answers.

  6. I slightly abridged the transcript of the Maddow/Baby Paul interview, but I think I captured the gist of the dialogue:

    Maddow: Do you think a private business has the right to put up a ‘Blacks Not Serverd Sign?’

    Baby Paul: Well the interesting thing is if you look back to the 1950’s, 1960’s, that the problems we faced, there were incredible problems. The problems had to do with voting…blah, blah, blah.

    Madow: I don’t want to badger you, but I do want an answer on this sir, do you think a private business has the right not to serve black people?

    Baby Paul: I’m against all discrimination of any kind, I wouldn’t join a club .(my golf club is cool, though) but I think what’s important about this debate is not to get into any gotcha on this but asking the question. What about freedom of speech. Should we limit speech. Should we limit racists from speaking?

    Maddow: I’m asking straight you forward questions. Do you realize that businesses wouldn’t let black people use the bathroom?

    Baby Paul: I abhor racism. Am I a bad person because I hate racism?

    Maddow: I’m asking you a yes or no question, Baby Paul. What about lunch counters? It’s not a hypothetical.

    Baby Paul: I’ll give you a hypothetical. What about the owner of the restaurant? Should the government tell him that AK-47’s aren’t permitted in his place of business? That’s when we’re in a slippery slope, Rachel.

    Maddow: This isn’t a debate about the second amendment. People were beaten to death trying to stand up against racism at Woolworth’s.

    Baby Paul: I think you’re conflating the issue…

  7. Jack, you’re pretty clueless as to Paul’s platform. He’s a constitutionalist plain and simple.
    And what do the far left wackos know about governance…other than simply placing the government in complete control of everyone’s lives?

    “Krikey, another one for the books…our boy says, again, that the market will regulate morality.”

    Microdot, are you saying we need the government to regulate / dictate the morality and beliefs of the people?
    That should make for a nice little police state!

  8. I’d say that what Microdot and others who live on center-left believe is that for a nation of this size and to the point where we have evolved, SOME government regulations will keep us moving nicely along in the right direction.

    Don’t jump to extremes with your ‘police state’ remark; hyperbole never helps in a dialog.

  9. You know I didn’t say that. But in typical teabag hysteria, you take a comment and turn it into a communist invaion by hitlerian stalinists from mars.
    Thank You, Sepp, Like Rand Paul and his schizoid defense of his stance on civil rights, like Michael Steele, who has to try to spin his way out of every utterance he makes, you are another gift that keeps on giving.

    Give it to us babe!
    You say I don’t know what it’s like there on the ground in your corner of T-Town…well how bad is is? Have you had to arm yourself against the neighbors yet?

  10. Ok MD,
    ““Krikey, another one for the books…our boy says, again, that the market will regulate morality.”

    “The market” is the people Microdot.
    So WHO exactly do you assume will “regulate morality”? If not the people, you can only mean the government since I’m certain you weren’t referring to God!

    But, in typical libspeak, you simply skirted an explaination and make it a personal attack!

    Muddy, it wasn’t hyperbole. I just want MD to explain his statement…or, since you seem to agree with it, perhaps YOU can explain it?

  11. “Thank You, Sepp, Like Rand Paul and his schizoid defense of his stance on civil rights…”

    What is that supposed to mean? Are you saying that it’s ok to violate one person’s civil rights to make another person feel better?

    What Maddow and the NPR guy were attempting to do was corner Paul into selling out his core values for political correctness. He chose honesty instead of spin.
    If you listened beyond the trap Maddow was trying to set, he was stating that the government should be completely colorblind and be barred from institutional racism of any kind…while respecting that our constitution allows people to be assholes whether we like it or, not.
    …then freedom of choice steps in and you can choose NOT to associate with them or, patronize their businesses.

    Real complicated stuff eh?

  12. …then freedom of choice steps in and you can choose NOT to associate with them or, patronize their businesses.

    Do YOU believe this, Sepp? Do you believe that an owner of a business has the right to refuse entry to a person because of skin color or because he/she is wearing religious clothes?

    Is that YOUR belief, too, Sepp?

  13. I believe that everyone is entitled to succeed or fail either due to the wisdom or, ignorance of their own making.
    You seem to think that if we mandate that someone isn’t allowed to hate, they’ll stop hating.
    Are you really so ignorant to think that any business that posts a “whites only” sign will succeed in this day and age?
    And, do you think the owner would make a good living in doing so?
    Maybe in 1920…but, we’re a long way from that aren’t we?

    And YES, I DO believe that in America, anyone is free to act like an asshole if they choose to do so.
    And I am free to choose to put them out of business.

    What do YOU suggest muddy? We mandate via the government who we like or don’t like?
    THAT isn’t freedom!

    So if Muddy’s bar and grill placed a “whites only” sign on the door…would it be better if I spent my money elsewhere and put muddy’s ass out of business or, have the government mandate that muddy had to let everyone in whether he liked it or not?

    I say, let muddy’s foolishness be his own demise! Why allow the government to shit on everyone else’s rights in order to allow Mr Muddy’s business succeed?
    Let Mr Muddy fail and LEARN from his failure!
    Typical that you liberals would want to regulate freedom.

  14. Evilpoet, your link was debunked long ago. Ron Paul never said that nor, did he write it.
    If you’re going to judge Ron Paul by something that was said that he had no part of…are you also going to criticize OBAMA for what racist crap was said in his church, in front of him for over 20 years?
    No?
    Why not?

  15. Poet- the CNN link copies Paul’s words here:

    ” “The criminals who terrorize our cities — in riots and on every non-riot day — are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to ‘fight the power,’ to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible.”

    Yes, the apple does not fall far from the tree. Now we can see where Rand got his philosophy of life.

  16. Sepp- Typical that you liberals would want to regulate freedom.

    Is that what ‘we liberals’ want? Is that the intent of the Civil Rights Law? To limit the ‘freedom’ of people who want to discriminate?

    You are walking on very thin ground, Sepp, when you make accusations like this. You and Rand Paul have a lot in common with this race talk.

    Sepp- Evilpoet, your link was debunked long ago. Ron Paul never said that nor, did he write it.

    And why do you believe this to be true, Sepp? Do you want to ‘believe’ it or do your have proof that it was ‘debunked?’ I’m beginning to think that you live in that World of Delusion to which I often refer.

  17. It was debunked? Prove it. It was his newsletter. He ran it – he was responsible for it’s content. If you’re going to argue that Ron Paul had no part of something that was right in front of his nose than you must follow that logic and say the same for Obama and his preacher.

  18. You seem to think that if we mandate that someone isn’t allowed to hate, they’ll stop hating.
    I can’t stop you from hating. We all have things and ideas we hate.
    It isn’t madating the control of what you think, but the effects of what you do with that hate and the effects of years of fal out from slavery and the prejudice that led to segregation were destructive, negative and evil. Do you deny that?
    This was much more than simple hate. People who would normally hate each other can band to gether to hate someone else…like say, you and mr snake huter…together you can band together to hate liberals and you might have some common ground, but I can guarantee that you guys would discover that you could easily hate each other…but I’ll let you figure that one out. That’s not the point at all and to talk about “banning hate” is again simplifying and dumbing down reality and actually changing the subject.
    The Civil Rights movement and the legislation was about moving America forward in to the real world and destroying a systematic encoded condition where an entire segment of the American population was degraded because of the ingrained prejudice and social class system that was passed down from the colonial era of America.
    The idea that a sub class of people who were subjugated and conveniently kept in a subhuman class because it was part of the denial and defense of slavery…and lets not dance around the fact that there was a lot of fear involved…
    That had to be stopped and we are still working on it, obviously.
    The prejudice won’t be erased in our lifetime, obviously.
    To say that this is somehow infringing on your “Right To Hate” is again an over simplification and dumbing down of the real issues, obviously.

  19. Sepp is actually correct. The newsletter in question was written by a staffer and Ron Paul subsequently appologized and debunked the sentiment. (I fact checked this a long time ago – maybe on factchecker.org – I don’t remember)

    I personally don’t think Dr. Paul, or his son are racist. I think some of his other ideas however are insane. But I do like his position to bring the legions home and immediately stop the wars.

    I thing we all need to stop trying to “sling mud by association”. So what if Obama has communist / socialist associates. I have friends and family that have a VERY wide array of beliefs and political affiliations. One of my best friends – I might consider borderline Nazi in his right wing ideas – but he is a longtime friend from all the way back in elementary school and I love him dearly. Does that make me a Nazi?

  20. Steve- I cannot dismiss the Ron Paul Newsletters as easily as you can– Who Wrote Ron Paul’s Newsletters?

    Does that make me a Nazi?

    Remember when the desperate John McCain stated during his campaign, ‘We’re all Georgians?’ That ‘association’ thing plays well, politically, but not so much for McCain.

  21. Well, Steve, that is exactly what this is about.
    That a group of people can make a hysterical claim that has no intellectual backing, as in, first using terms that are out dated and emotionally loaded to smear someone because of his intellectual life, then claiming because Sepp made his statement on this blog, then the reaction must be to him specifically, but the conundrum, if we refute him personally for his statement, then it is personally against him…are we dealing with an egocentric troll? I would like to think not…Then making a case that since he repeated this piece of hysterical idiocy here he must be refuted. I see redundancy and a broken system of illogic.
    He’s a squeaky wheel and he got his oil.

    I still think he should invite snakehunter over for a six pack or two, then we’d see some real peace love and understanding, for sure.

  22. He’s not a big fan of protecting black people from discrimination, but boy oh boy, if you take on big oil, especially while they’re dumping tens of thousands of barrels of oil a day into the Gulf, Rand Paul gets vewy vewy angwy.

    What I don’t like from the president’s administration is this sort of, you know, “I’ll put my boot heel on the throat of BP.” I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business. I’ve heard nothing from BP about not paying for the spill. And I think it’s part of this sort of blame game society in the sense that it’s always got to be someone’s fault. Instead of the fact that maybe sometimes accidents happen.

    Rand Paul: The Rosa Parks of big business. He’s not gonna sit on the back of the gushing oil platform.

  23. “One of my best friends – I might consider borderline Nazi in his right wing ideas – but he is a longtime friend from all the way back in elementary school and I love him dearly. Does that make me a Nazi?”

    I’d say not. Then again, if you knew many nazis and most of your history had odd associations with nazis, I’d have to question your beliefs…just as I questioned Obama’s.
    Obama stated in his autobiograhpy (which oddly enough I seem to be the only one posting here who read it) that he specifficly sought out socialists to associate with and attended their functions.
    According to Microdot, my claim is hysterical…except for the fact that I quoted from the man’s book!

    Muddy, sure I agree that hate and segregation are destructive. We all know that. But when you try to restrict free speech in order to stop one person’s destructiveness to save another’s feelings, you open up ANY and all forms of free speech to the same restrictions and on the whim of whoever is offended at the time.
    For example, a business in Toledo (or anywhere else) closes it’s doors to certain races.
    What would happen? They would be out of business within the week.
    Not because the government did anything but, because the people would take their money elsewhere and not want to be associated with such a business.
    You always generalize civil rights in the context that we’re still living in 1943 or prior. 3 generations have passed since the 1964 bill and guess what? Society has moved forward.

  24. What snopes quoted…
    “Actual quote from “Dreams from My Father” [pg. 100-101]: To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.

    Sorry for the omission of “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout”…as if that mattered.

  25. Sepp- Then again, if you knew many nazis and most of your history had odd associations with nazis, I’d have to question your beliefs…just as I questioned Obama’s.

    Interestingly, Sepp, most of MY history ‘had an odd association with’ Christian fundamentalists. Would you ‘have to question my beliefs’ too?

    Obama- I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.

    What you are trying [pitifully] to infer, Sepp, is that a person is a PRODUCT of his/her friends. Are you, Sepp, a PRODUCT of your friends?

    Is Obama a punk-rock poet? Or for that matter, is he a Marxist because he ‘hung’ with a Marxist professor?

    During my college years, I ‘hung with’ an odd assortment of friends- as is the case in all universities in both their student body and faculty. We shared ideas and philosophies and debated all kinds of ideas.

    And the outcome for me? I am who I am, not what these people were. I gained an enormous insight during that experience which helped me define my own values and morals.

    Have you had any experience like that, Sepp? Were you fortunate enough to have the time to sit together with a wide variety of people with widely-divergent philosophies and hash out, debate and discuss life?

    I was fortunate enough to have had this time, this experience. And it has made a great and lasting impact on my life.

  26. Here’s a great ink to Michael Steele on TV today as he tries to avoid and wade through the rancid polemic of Baby Paul.
    You are witnessing, ladies and gentlement, the self conflagration, the bizarre spectacle of a political party consuming itself right before your eyes.
    And, all you have to do is vote for the jerks and pay the penalty to see it come to full bloom…
    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/23/steele-paul/
    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/23/steele-paul/

  27. “What you are trying [pitifully] to infer, Sepp, is that a person is a PRODUCT of his/her friends. Are you, Sepp, a PRODUCT of your friends?”

    I didn’t imply that he was a “product” of anything. Perhaps your surroundings with christian fundamentalists is what made you what you are today…bitter towards them. I doubt you sought them out for friendship BECAUSE they were christian nutjobs…But, OBAMA DID actively look for communists and socialists to associate with…not only in college but afterwards. People tend to naturally gravitate in circles where they share something in common with the folks there.
    Obama seems to oddly know and associate with inordinate number of communists and socialists. To attempt to play it off as merely coincidental is just pure intellectual dishonesty.

    And sure, I’ve always had an “odd assortment of friends’ thoughout my entire life. The ones I closely identify with and regularly see share my values more than those I don’t see eye to eye with all the time. I’ve never “actively sought out” any certain group that I had nothing in “common with” either.
    I consider myself center right…why would ever seek out marxist friends or, even facist friends for that matter?
    Obama sought out those who he shared something with…yes muddy, it’s that easy.
    And if you look at the folks he’s associated with over the years since school, he’s STILL surrounding himself with the same people who share those beliefs.

    I won’t ask you to simply take my word for it. All the information is easily accessable and if you wanted to know, you’d know already.

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