Who Can Explain this Photo?

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27 thoughts on “Who Can Explain this Photo?

  1. It warms my heart to see people out in Arizona protesting and defending the constitution.

  2. Yes indeed, Steve. And what is one to make of that cleverly worded message on the poster that seems to suggest that the Gov’t [perhaps government] has committed ‘treason.’ How does one’s government commit treason against itself? Did I miss that lesson in my U.S. Government classes?

  3. Just another frustrated and unknowledgeable teabagger out blindly shooting attack bullets without even realizing he’s making no sense at all.No wonder this country is so fouled up, with moronsd like him walking around freely!

  4. I’ve been on plenty of teabagger forums – when I want to be a glutton for punishment – and nobody has ever been able to coherently spell out what sort of events are going on that are unconstitutional. Yet, the new Arizona law that is clearly unconstitutional and an agregious affront to individual liberty – not a peep from the teabaggers. Yet they say their movement isn’t at all racist. I suppose unconstitutionality is OK when it stops the brown horde from taking over.

    “The brown skins are coming! The brown skins are coming!”

  5. Jack, when a “representitive government” is representing itsself as opposed to the people it’s supposed to be representing…what would you call it?
    Muddy, THE PEOPLE and their will is supoosed to be “the government”. When the elected body goes against the will of the people and simply does whatever it wants to…it IS treason against the people.

    You can be a traitor to the country…which means you’ve essentially betrayed “the people”. When the elected “servants” do things counter to what the people elected them to do or, against the limitations spelled out in the constitution, it’s also treason.

    Odd how a change of parties ruling the whitehouse redefines what you and Jack would call “treasonous”. If Bush had done what Obama and congress ARE doing, I highly doubt EITHER of you would be calling it anything else!
    Those “unknowledgable teabaggers” just happen to respect the rule of law and the constitution. Too bad you got too smart to care…at least until a party takes office that you don’t simply check your thinking at the door takes power.
    I watched the same style of thought as you display wreck Yugoslavia. It’s only bad when “they” do it as opposed to “it’s bad period” allowed a functioning constitution in a modern country get ripped up incrementally without the full support of ALL the people.
    The “teabaggers” in Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia were ridiculed by THEIR over-reaching government in Beograd who put partisian / race politics at the forefront to divide the people and turn them against each other.
    I watched that firsthand as it unfolded from beginning to end and I see the SAME crap being played out here.
    The democrats and the republicans…same animal 2 heads. One side is trying to lure the tea party people with false promises while the other simply slanders them via false information.

    If you aren’t siding with the GOP…you’re a communist…if you’re not siding with the democrats…you’re a racist…if you just want the country to be run via the constitution and it’s rule of law…you’re an idiot for falling into either trap!

  6. Steve, what is “unconstitutional” about Arizona’s law? It’s the SAME as FEDERAL law with the substituiton of the word “federal” with the word “state” for the most part.

    It simply means that the state of Arizona will enforce the law that the fed has neglected.
    And I have no problem bursting your bubble. The lefty press calls it an “anti-immigration’ law but, it’s simply the rule of law and has ZERO bearing or, penalty toward LEGAL immigrants whatsoever.
    No citizen or, legal alien has one thing to worry about with the enforcement of this law.

  7. That was going to be my question too, M_R, that is, what is unconstitutional about an Arizona law on immigration?

    As to Sepp’s remarks about an elected official, in this case of a federal congressional legislator, there is no requirement that he or she votes the wishes or demands of the people who he/she represents. They are to vote their conscience. They are held accountable for their votes at the time of their next election in two or 6 years depending on the house. IN no way is a representative “treasonous” by not voting what a certain block of his district wants. That is just exaggeration, Sepp!

  8. The law you are talking about is the law that aliens must carry proof that they are in the country legally. The Arizona law goes beyond any of that in allowing warrentless detainment of ANY person who a cop arbitrarily (well you’re brown) suspects of being an illegal alien. It means every brown person traveling through Arizon must prove they are citizens upon request by a police officer, if they can’t then they are hauled away. Say Chief Justice Sonia Sotomayor decides to take a road trip across Arizona, but she accidentally leaves her birth certificate and her drivers license behind (no laws on the books that says a US citizen must carry identifying “papers” at all times). So she gets pulled over. Patrolman Sgt Slaughter decides she talks kind of funny. “Let me see your license or birth certificate or green card maam?” “I’m sorry officer, I don’t have any of those with me.” Next thing you know, the Chief Justice is tossed out of a van in Nuevo Loco. So the 4th amendment hazzard isn’t toward illegal aliens, it’s toward all US citizens, especially those that are of Hispanic heritage. Don’t you see the slippery slope? If we allow this watering down, or outright violation of the 4th amendment, well the next thing you know, every last one of us will have to carry a National ID card in order to get a job, get prescriptions, ect… Probably with a GPS chip so that we can all be tracked. But please, show me Federal Law that says any officer of the law anywhere can detain a US citizen on a whim without a warrent because he suspects they might not have been born here, or that I, as a US citizen have to carry identifying papers like a Birth Certificate or a License.

    But you don’t have to convince me, I think this law is going to be struck down rather quickly, either by a state court due to lawsuits by hispanic groups, or by Federal Distric Courts on strict constitutional grounds.

    This all reminds me of a funny little ditty:

    Officer: “Where were ya born son?”
    Cheech: “I was Born in East LA!”
    Officer: “Where’s your green card?”
    Cheech: “I’m from East L.A.!”

  9. I just wanted to add, that if you really want to stop illegal immigration, then go after the people that hire illegal immigrants. Problem is, THOSE people are usually rich, white, and republicans with political clout. So that being said, this whole thing is political grandstanding in an election year. Do you thing republicans would ever vote for an “Anti Illegal Immigrant Hiring Bill” that threatens prison time and steep fines for company owners that do that? Purdue chicken would be out of business tomorrow.

    And you know what else? Tea party people should be painting “Welcome Illegal Immigrants” on their signs, because who else is going to pay for their medicare in the years to come, givin the top heavy aging demographic map of the US (Not enough workers to cover the old folks). Please Mexican Workers! Come to the US, My future Hip Joint or Knee joint depends on it!

  10. I find it amusing when people who claim to defend the Constitution don’t know what they are talking about.

    Article III, Section iii:
    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

    The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

    By defintion, the government cannot commit treason: only people can. And only those people who commit acts of war or help their enemies.

    Likewise, Article VI:
    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

    If the law has been enacted according to “Constitutional” procedure, then it is presumed Constitutional. It’s constitutionality can be challenged based upon conflicts with other sections of the Constitution. Not to mention Article VI goes on to say: “The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the
    several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of
    the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or
    Affirmation, to support this Constitution”.

    So, this picture proves that I am correct in saying that people who claim to defend the Constitution should bone up on what exactly they are defending.

    BTW, Article I, Section 8:
    “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;”

    Arizona is acting beyond the scope of its powers.

  11. UTF, I don’t know about you but, I try to put people in office who will represent me. And I expect that if a significant block of constitutents signal their wishes to their “representitive” they’ll be listened to regardless of congressman Soandso’s “conscience” on the matter. Ignoring the people and simply following a party line is a far cry from representation.

    Steve, stop swallowing the bullshit and buying into the propaganda line being fed to you.

    As a visitor here, you’re required to have your I94 form as well as Identification…nothing new or, suddenly “racist” about that law eh?

    The Az law simply gives the police a tool to enforce the EXISTING federal law that the Feds have been neglecting to enforce.

    What hispanic groups seem to want is an exemption to a law that applies to everyone and are using “racism” as an excuse to skirt it.

    Obviously you haven’t even bothered to do any homework on the issue but, instead swallow the B.S, rinse and repeat.

    The cops cannot simply look for brown faces to harrass as the left is claiming.
    A cop, while during his NORMAL DUTIES aprehends someone suspected of a crime or, other infraction of the law suspects a person may be here illegally can investigate the matter further.

    And how might a cop become suspicious? Only speaking Spanish and with a Mexican or, South American dialect is an indicator, no driver license, no I.D, no vehicle registration…or 20 people getting out of the car and hauling ass…all are pretty good indicators that something merits further investigation.
    Next time you’re pulled over, refuse to provide I.D, act nervous and have your passengers jump out of the car and scatter! Then let us know how the officer simply let you go because you’re not a suspected Mexican national!

    As for that hip replacement, you need a taxpayer to feed the system if thats the route you need to get one and illegals aren’t paying into it!

    What seems to be the big problem with filling out the paperwork and entering legally? Those papers ARE also printed in Spanish for folks who can’t yet speak english and, there are 100’s of advocacy agencies that assist with filling it out and getting it filed.

    Or do illegal Mexicans now warrant special rights that no other immigrant group is entitled to?
    Odd how the Mexican government isn’t “racist” when it’s immigration policies are being enforced but, our nation is!

  12. Steve, add in the following industries for using illegal immigrants: landscaping, restaurants, hotels, and building trades.

    We would have quite a fun time if everyone who hired or otherwise used an illegal immigrant’s labour in the US were fined!

  13. Yeah Laci…
    “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization”.

    That means that all immigrants seeking citizenship or entry are treated equally and uniformally IE, setting a standard proceedure or rule for all entering.
    Would it NOT be discrimination if we simply allow Mexicans to break the standard rules of immigration but, require everyone else to follow them?

  14. Sepp, do you enjoy showing your ignorance?

    Would it NOT be discrimination if we simply allow Mexicans

    IS it just Mexicans? What about Guatamalans? Puerto Ricans? Hondurans?

    What about US citizens who are hispanic?

    Muckrake doesn’t want me to go there, but how do I know you are a US citizen Sepp? Would you want to have to prove your citizenship everytime someone questions it? Should you have to?

    Under the common law tradition, one need not have to prove their identity.

    First off, you have to amend the constitution if you want to truly address the immigration issue:

    Amendment 14
    1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the
    jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State
    wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge
    the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any
    State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Or should I say, amend the amended constitution. The UK now requires that a person who is born in the UK have a UK citizen parent to be considered a UK citizen. The US could amend its constution to add that sort of provision.

    There is also the historical issues which come with hispanic immigration, which I know are beyond your ken Sepp.

    In fact, this is already taxing your tiny mind.

  15. Gackkk! Again defending a law that “is only enforcing existing laws”…
    But, gives authorities much more leeway to arbitrarily “enforce existing laws”. This defense of a redundant unusually harsh extra layer of fascism from a self proclaimed “libertarian”.
    Then, we are expected to swallow the typical line that the good and honest authorities in Arizona would never dream of abusing this power. It will be enforced fairly and equally.
    Let’s see fairly and equally! Already the white power groups in Arizona have proclaimed May 15th, Cinco de Mayo as “report an illegal day”. The buzz in the political news in Arizona is that Sherriff Joe would be a shoe in for governor….
    Already legislation is being proposed that would deny citizenship to chidren born in the USA of parents deemed as illegal.
    And what powers this? Sheer idiotic xenophobic fear. The time honored fascist ploy of scapegoating for political power.
    Yes, Sepp, other countries have much harsher laws for immigrants. Why does the USA have to emulate them?
    There are a lot of good , honest and brave Americans who are already putting themselves in harms way by helping immigrants. If this climate worsens, these people are going to be in the position of the brave resistance who sheltered Jews and other fascist persecuted minorities in Vichy France.
    That’s a big difference between manipulated tea bag resistance… a movement born of selfishness and self interest and greed. It celebrates xenophobia.
    Here in France we are dealing with a government that is trying to use xenophobia as political tool. There is a racist, nationalist movement tht has always existed here. That is the ploy the sarkozy government is using to consolodate the right. The racist and economic fears are the tools being used, but it is not working!
    This is a small country compared to the USA…the size of Texas, yet there is a very big resistance to xenophobia and there is a very active humanist, compassionate and visibly defiant resistance.

    No matter how hard you try to paint this issue in simplistic terms, you will never succeed. It is selfish, corrupt and it will fail.

  16. Mexican nationals are by far the largest group in the illegal alien pool and have become the defacto face of illegal immigration Laci.

    I carry Identification with me all the time Laci that was issued to me by the state AFTER I provided proof of my status as a citizen…so anytime I’m pulled over and produce I.D, I am also showing evidence of citizenship or residential status.
    Resident aliens here legally are issued Identification which proves their legal status which must be renewed every 10 years.

    “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the
    jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State
    wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge
    the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any
    State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

    Did you happen to notice the words “BORN or, NATURALIZED”? It’s referring to CITIZENS.

    Are you attempting to say that during the investigation of a crime or, legal infraction, the police have no business asking to see a driver license?
    A cop pulls over a hispanic in Scotsdale for speeding, asks to see a drivers license and is provided with one issued by the state.

    Mr hispanic guy has just verified that the state knows he’s here and the cop has no other reason to suspect otherwise.
    If the guy has no license or, state issued I.D or, provides foreign I.D, the cop can ask to see the I-94 stub which ALSO verifies that the person is here legally.
    So do we enforce our laws in a uniform manner applical to everyone or, are you suggesting something less than equal protection / enforcement of the rule of law depending on where you originated?

    For someone who claims to be a partner in a law firm, I would think you’d have been fast to see that.

  17. Yes microdot, I’m very certain that if the French govt found that you had entered France illegally, they would simply let you slide!

    Your cries of racism and xenophobia are just plain bullshit and sympathy propaganda. NOBODY seems to have any axes to grind with LEGAL immigration. Nobody is protesting at immigration hearings or, swearing in ceremonies even though the MAJORITY of these new Americans originate in…I hope you’re sitting down…non-white countries!
    Of course in order to keep the xenophobic populace from finding out, the ceremonies are secretly advertised in the newspaper along with the names and country of origin of our newest citizens!
    Must signal a double standard in the xenophobe community eh?

    “Yes, Sepp, other countries have much harsher laws for immigrants. Why does the USA have to emulate them?”

    We don’t. We have our own laws and should be enforcing them! Now that one state has drawn the line and WILL be enforcing the law, people are whining.
    Enter legally and avoid the drama…too damned easy Microdot!

  18. Sepp, AZ cannot make its own laws regarding nationalisation. It is unconstitutional.

    Likewise, any law which only enforces itself against certain segments of the population is illegal.

    I suggest that you learn US history Sepp, if the US is a country which you have citizenship, as the Mexican-American war incorporated a significant chunk of Spanish America: California, AZ, NM, TX, Colorado, and Nevada.

    Again, You misunderstand English and Anglo-American traditions, one does not need to have to identify oneself. This is a lovely litlle wedge issue that will split up the astro-turf tea party movement, especially the people who fancy themselves not bound by “governments”.

    Of course, that is if it is actually enforced against the entire population.

    No Sepp, it’s time to be a bastard, if you want a police state like the one you are from. Get used to being called on your being a moronic asshole.

    Especially a moronic asshole who can’t speak English for shit.

  19. Simpel English, sepp, I hoepe this is simple enough English for you to understand. If not, I’ll get it translated into Croatian in the hopes you might understand that.

    On the other hand…

    Are you willing to pay the taxes necessary to fund this program? Are you willing to pony up for the money it will cost to fund the programs it will take to stop “illegal” immigration from central America?

    If not, shut your gog.

    In fact, I think you should prove you understand English and actually read and try to understand what you are spouting shit about.

    And don’t play hurt, I AM being polite to you.

  20. Laci, Az ISN’T making a law regarding nationalisation the law Az passed mirrors the FEDERAL law! Homework? Maybe you should do a little before opening your pie-hole!

    Take your ass back up the page, reread what I posted because it’s plainly obvious that you either didn’t read it or, you failed to comprehend it.
    Being asked for I.D isn’t violating your rights during an investigation.
    The Az law does not allow cops to simply approach anyone for no reason and demand proof of birthplace.

    If I get pulled over in Arizona (and I lived there in Glendale for a year) for something guess what Laci…the cop is going to ask for I.D no matter how light or dark my tan is! And, should I fail to provide it, that would REQUIRE the officer to look deeper into my business!
    THAT must be a tough concept for a “partner in a law firm” to grasp!

    Are you trying to lead us all to think that the police where you live don’t ask for identification ever? Traffic violations? Accidents? Robbery suspects? The police where YOU live just take your word for it?
    Or do they do their job…which means establishing the identity of the person in question?
    Noooo of course not because that would be like the law in Arizona!

    I look forward to continuing this conversation with you! Sadly I just heard an ambulance drive by that you’ll need to chase!

  21. BTW muddy, the invite I extended to you long ago for lunch sometime hasn’t expired. We’ll have to twist microdot’s arm to join us next time he visits and make him provide his adopted hometown label to sample.

  22. It’s true that I have my “carte de sejour” with me here in France. My wife is a citizen. I think that France’s present laws are racist and draconian. I also believe now that France’s press freedom is sinking fast.
    The USA has risen and France is going down.
    One of the most insane things here is the ability of the government to detain and extradite people without due process. This has led to many tragic and illegal incidents. The damage to families, to children is on a level of true human rights violations.
    That is why you are seeing an organized resistance growing here. More and more frech citizens are putting themselves in harms way out of sheer compassion.
    I don’t think I am being over melodramatic to compare this to America.
    The Arizona law and laws that are inspired by knee jerk reactions to immigrant fear open the door to more draconian laws. How many deportations occur in the USA each day? How many people are in immigration centers treated as subhumans already while their fates are decided?
    I have never had a problem here in France, why? Because I am white.

  23. I have never had a problem here in France, why? Because I am white.

    And so, I assume, those deportations are mostly people of color and/or of Muslim faith. Correct?

    What has ‘moved’ more and more French people to compassion?

  24. Being asked for I.D isn’t violating your rights during an investigation.
    The Az law does not allow cops to simply approach anyone for no reason and demand proof of birthplace.

    Sepp- I am nearly 70 years old and never, in all of those years, has any police officer asked for proof of my birthplace. The only time that question has been asked of me is in the customs section of airports.

    Why has no police officer ever asked for proof of my birthplace? The only conclusion that I can figure is that I look way too Nordic.

  25. Muddy, have you ever been pulled over by the cops and had to show your state issued identification?
    How did you obtain that identification? You most likely had to at some point show a birth certificate!
    The cops know this and it pretty much ends the need to ask your residency status…which is the reason people were against the issuance of drivers licenses to illegals a few years back.

    As being so Nordic, ICE routinely finds Russian and other East bloc people who are here illegally living in areas of NYC where there is a large community of them.
    Most of those people enter on a visitor visa and simply don’t return home. All they need to do is file an “adjustment of status” application and attend the required intrviews in order to obtain a resident alien visa which makes a helluva lot more sense than hiding in the shadows of society, crossing your fingers hoping not to get caught.

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